Re: [mpls] [mpls-tp] I-D Action:draft-ietf-mpls-tp-survive-fwk-04.txt
Maarten Vissers <maarten.vissers@huawei.com> Thu, 11 March 2010 07:57 UTC
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From: Maarten Vissers <maarten.vissers@huawei.com>
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Liu, We have had this discussion about 15 years ago when multi-layer protection switching became alive in SDH networks. Many investigation reports and contributions have been written in that time analyzing the options available. At the end the conclusion was that hold-off timers are the only solution, and those have been implemented and deployed since then. Furthermore, it was concluded that one should limit the stacking of protection switching to a protection switching level as close to the fiber as possible and as close to the service as possible. The latter protection switching process will then work with a hold-off timer set to 100 ms (refer to 14/G.808.1 and Appendix I/G.808.1, 8/G.841, 8.12/G.873.1, 11.2/G.8031). The lower protection switching level could be a: 1) section layer protection (between adjacent nodes), which protects against fiber and NNI port faults and can be implemented as: - a STM-N multiplex section (OC-N line) protection. - a ring protection - a transport path layer compound link protection (CL-SNCG/I) 2) transport service layer group protection (between adjacent PE nodes), which protects against fiber and P node faults in the domain bounded by the PE nodes and against PE node NNI port faults The higher protection switching level is an individual transport service instance protection, implemented as transport service SNC/S protection. ---------- With respect to the p2mp protection case I am wondering if you refer to 1) unidirectional p2mp connections with one root and N leaves in which each packet is delivered to all leaves, or 2) bidirectional rooted-multipoint (rmp) connections with one or more roots and N leaves in which each frames is delivered to one or a subset of the leaves, or 3) two unidirectional p2mp connections, each with one root (connected to a content service head end node) and a shared set of N leaves in which each packet is delivered to all leaves 4) p2mp PWs carrying multicast traffic in a VPLS? For case 4, you do not protect the p2mp PW; instead the VPLS is protected. For case 3, 1+1 protection is the best alternative. Note that in this case we need to use an additional client signal based trigger condition to protect against a fault in a head end node or against a fault on the fiber connecting a head end node with the network. For case 2, 1:1 protection is the best alternative. For case 1, 1+1 or 1:1 protection could be used depending on the application. 1+1 protection allows that each leaf switches independently; i. e. some leaves may read from working, others may read from protection. Regards, Maarten _____ From: liu.guoman@zte.com.cn [mailto:liu.guoman@zte.com.cn] Sent: donderdag 11 maart 2010 3:04 To: Maarten Vissers Cc: mpls@ietf.org; mpls-bounces@ietf.org; mpls-tp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] [mpls-tp] I-D Action:draft-ietf-mpls-tp-survive-fwk-04.txt Maarten thank you for reply my question. 1 IMO, Hold off timers is not good solution. what value is suitable for Hold off timer for upper layer protection swith? if the value is too long, it must affect recoverying service within 50ms; if the value is too short, protection switch in the upper layer is earlier or equal than that in the below layer. how to set the value of hold off timer for the upper layer? i don't know it very clearly. 2 if we don't consider 1:n protection for p2mp path, according to your solution , only use 1+1 protection solution, it must cost most bandwidth and equipments in the linear protection, and it is hard and difficult for network operater to configurate dedicate protection path for each p2mp path. in addition, more and more p2mp service will exist and apply in the current time, if only use 1+1 and 1:1 protection solution , the cost of configuration is the larest and most. there is missing something important, but I wish to have a finer and better solution to solve the problem of p2mp protection ; best regards liu Maarten Vissers <maarten.vissers@huawei.com> 发件人: mpls-bounces@ietf.org 2010-03-10 18:30 收件人 liu.guoman@zte.com.cn, mpls-tp@ietf.org 抄送 mpls@ietf.org 主题 Re: [mpls] [mpls-tp] I-D Action:draft-ietf-mpls-tp-survive-fwk-04.txt Liu, You need to use Hold Off timers at the upper layer protection switch selectors in this case. Additional OAM packets don't help. E.g. a cable break is detected at all layers at pproximately the same time, and without hold off timer set at upper layer protection switching endpoints those upper layer protection endpoints may switch at the same time, or possibly even a little bit earlier. P2MP connections are used for distribution services. For such case you want 1+1 protection and unidirectional switching (per endpoint). No need for 1:n. Regards, Maarten _____ From: mpls-tp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-tp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of liu.guoman@zte.com.cn Sent: woensdag 10 maart 2010 10:09 To: mpls-tp@ietf.org Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] I-D Action:draft-ietf-mpls-tp-survive-fwk-04.txt hi, all experts I review this draft this afternoon, I have a few questions of part section of this draft. 1 section 4.4.1 " As with recovery in layered networks, a protecion mechanism at the lower layer needs to be coordinated with protection actions at the upper layer in order to avoid race conditions" i don't know how to coordinate state of protection switching between the lower layer and the upper layer. do we need a new type of state packet to coordinate protection switching between the lower and upper layer? 2 I review all context of this draft. I don't notice the 1:n protection framework for P2MP. is it necessary to consider the 1:n protection solution for P2MP in the following Draft version? my answer is yes. do you think so? best regards liu Internet-Drafts@ietf.org 发件人: mpls-bounces@ietf.org 2010-03-09 06:30 收件人 i-d-announce@ietf.org 抄送 mpls@ietf.org 主题 [mpls] I-D Action:draft-ietf-mpls-tp-survive-fwk-04.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF. Title : Multiprotocol Label Switching Transport Profile Survivability Framework Author(s) : N. Sprecher, A. Farrel Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-tp-survive-fwk-04.txt Pages : 57 Date : 2010-03-08 Network survivability is the ability of a network to restore traffic delivery following disruption or failure or degradation of network resources. Survivability is critical to the delivery of guaranteed network services such as those subject to strict Service Level Agreements (SLAs) that place maximum bounds on the length of time the service may be degraded or unavailable. The Transport Profile of Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS-TP) is a packet transport technology based on the MPLS data plane and re-using many aspects of the MPLS management and control planes. This document provides a framework for the provision of survivability in an MPLS-TP network, describing recovery elements, types, methods and topological considerations. Survivability may be supported by control plane, management plane, and by Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM) functions to achieve data plane recovery. This document describes mechanisms for protecting MPLS-TP Label Switched Paths (LSPs). Detailed consideration for the protection of pseudowires in MPLS-TP networks is out of scope. This document is a product of a joint Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) / International Telecommunication Union Telecommunication Standardization Sector (ITU-T) effort to include an MPLS Transport Profile within the IETF MPLS and PWE3 architectures to support the capabilities and functionalities of a packet transport network as defined by the ITU-T. 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