Re: [mpls] would the WG like to adopt draft-farrelll-mpls-opportunistic-encrypt?

Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> Thu, 23 April 2015 13:16 UTC

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Subject: Re: [mpls] would the WG like to adopt draft-farrelll-mpls-opportunistic-encrypt?
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Stephen,

On 2015-04-23 11:48, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>
> Hiya,
>
> On 23/04/15 10:40, Loa Andersson wrote:
>> Working Group,
>>
>> <chair hat off>
>>
>> I've read the draft (a while ago) and I think this document is within
>> the wg charter and should be progressed by the mpls wg.
>>
>> (chair hat on>
>>
>> If I hear nothing to the contrary I will start the process with
>> mpls-rt review, IPR poll and wg adoption poll first week of May.
>
> Thanks Loa. I'm not entirely familiar with the mpls-rt review but
> one issue on which I think some detailed requirements-level guidance
> would be useful for me is on whether this ought stick with "classic"
> integer DH or move to a more modern DH approach based on curve 25519.
> If you have reviewers who are familiar with the issues there and
> with MPLS performance and implementation requirements that'd be good.
> If not, I'm happy to try explain the pros and cons from the security
> and crypto POV, either to the reviewers or the list. And that can be
> done post-adoption on the list if that's better too, but it'd be a
> good thing to bottom out early-ish in the WG process.

The MPLS-RT review is there to give advice to the working group chairs
whether the document is ready to be adopted as a wg doc (if ot addresses
as real problem, if it is likely to be deployed in real networks, etc.)

Once I start the MPLS-RT review I'll look to see if I can find a
reviewer that can look at the DH issues also.

/Loa
>
>> There has been some comments, but I think those are address. Please
>> read and comment on the draft.
>
> Yes, I think we've addressed the substantive comments we've so
> far seen.
>
> Cheers,
> S.
>
>>
>> /Loa
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2015-04-17 14:10, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>>>
>>> Hiya,
>>>
>>> Adrian and I wrote up [1]. How'd the WG feel about adopting
>>> that? If you did, I'd be willing to continue editing if you
>>> wanted. So consider this as a request that the WG take on
>>> this work.
>>>
>>> In case it helps, the current abstract is:
>>>
>>> "
>>>      This document describes a way to apply opportunistic security
>>>      between adjacent nodes on an MPLS Label Switched Path (LSP) or
>>>      between end points of an LSP.  It explains how keys may be agreed
>>>      to enable encryption, and how key identifiers are exchanged in
>>>      encrypted MPLS packets.  Finally, this document describes the
>>>      applicability of this approach to opportunistic security in MPLS
>>>      networks with an indication of the level of improved security as
>>>      well as the continued vulnerabilities.
>>>
>>>      This document does not describe security for MPLS control plane
>>>      protocols.
>>> "
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> S.
>>>
>>> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrelll-mpls-opportunistic-encrypt
>>>
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>>

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Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
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