Re: [MSEC] QUIC multicast
Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> Tue, 28 June 2022 15:53 UTC
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Subject: Re: [MSEC] QUIC multicast
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 10:48 AM Holland, Jake <jholland= 40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > Hi msec, > > One of the actionable pieces of feedback[1] from the secdispatch > presentation of draft-krose-multicast-security at IETF 112 was > that we needed a concrete protocol proposal in order to evaluate > the security considerations, so we went ahead and made a > concrete proposal for multicast QUIC: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jholland-quic-multicast/ > https://github.com/GrumpyOldTroll/draft-jholland-quic-multicast > > We think this proposal meets the security goals given in > draft-krose-multicast-security (plus the one that Ekr raised that > we haven't added text for about web content needing to be associated > with a url), but if you can see any sense in which this draft falls > short or is unclear on how those security properties are achieved, > we'd love to get that feedback (and suggestions on fixing it if you > have any). > > I haven't sent this to quic yet, but will do so before long > unless anyone in msec can point out a critical flaw. I'm planning > to ask for a short slot in quic to present at 114. My main question > will be about what wg members would want to see addressed before > we ask for adoption (not planning to ask for adoption this time yet), > plus soliciting general feedback. > > Before sending to quic, will you please let me know how multicast will work with a connection oriented transport protocol which Quic largely is? Behcet > -Jake > > PS: several members of the W3C Multicast Community Group have > been working on an implementation and we'll have a table at the > hackathon, so if you'd like to be involved with that, please let > me know. > > [1] notes from the secdispatch feedback: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/msec/FYx5GsAtAyI3pypPIlJ_s3vtiwc/ > > > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec >
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