[Mtgvenue] Re: is identification of individuals already cove red by BCP 226

[S Moonesamy <[e-mail]>]

Hi Toerless,
At 01:50 PM 29-03-2026, Toerless Eckert wrote:
>First of all, except for Stephen, all people arguing here in favor of banning
>network authentication for future IETF ar americans or working for american
>companies (sorry if i am forgetting folks). So it is easy to view the
>discussion as "americans bullying China", and we should be aware of 
>that perception.

That could be the perception.

Here's the attendee statistics for the last meeting:

   North America  15%
   China          56%

There would be more meetings in China if the 2010 approach was still in use.

The draft which started this discussion mentioned protocols such as 
IPsec, DNSSEC, TLS, and SSH.  I didn't see any complaints about not 
being able to use software using those protocols at the last 
meeting.  For what it is worth, the usage of those protocols is 
already covered in the "best current practice".

>Just as an excourse for those interested because i think it also limited
>the number of technical options that IETF NOC had to deal with the situation
>(such as advanced networking configes if/when using normal gear):
>
>USA EAR export regulation does not allow for advanced technology to be shipped
>to china without a license. This includes most routers. And licenses may
>take eternities or never come. In around 2018 we even had the case that
>research routers solely made in China but shipped to the USA could not be
>shipped back because of EAR. Some time later China started AFAIK similar
>export limitations for "reciprocity". So, sending normal IETF gear from USA
>and China and back is likely about the most complex paper work import/export
>exercise with the most number of unknowns you can expect.
>(And i was involved for a few years with shipping networking gear to
>  various places on the globe, so i have also a tiny bit of 
> background here ;-)

I changed the ordering of your comment.

Some countries have rules affecting technology.  It can affect the 
network setup.  It can be quite complicated to get hardware to some 
other part of the world.  It's not the type of problem which the 
"best current practice" tried to address.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy