Re: [Mtgvenue] Question on text about change of process

Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 03 February 2017 05:48 UTC

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I guess the question I would ask is whether this will be read (ten years from now) as informative or normative. If informative, no problem. If the IAOC comes under fire for some perceived shortcoming in the execution, it is out of place, as this document doesn't update BCP 101, nor is it intended to. Is the IAOC being given instruction regarding a duty?

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> On Feb 2, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@nomountain.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi, all:
> 
> When we discussed this a few days ago, Brian had proposed the
> following text:
> 
> If the IAOC has decided to waive any requirements for a
> particular location, or to consider additional requirements,
> this will also be noted on the web page.
> 
> Jari proposed an addition:
> 
> While this document uses these terms and these meanings, it remains
> the responsibility of the IAOC to apply their best judgment. The IAOC
> accepts input and feedback both during the consultation process and
> later (for instance when there are changes in the situation at a
> chosen location). Any appeals remain subject to the provisions of
> [RFC4071].
> 
> Is there any objection to either of these additions?
> 
> Melinda
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