Re: [multipathtcp] New Version of MPTCP Architecture Draft

Yoshifumi Nishida <nishida@sfc.wide.ad.jp> Fri, 05 February 2010 12:02 UTC

Return-Path: <nishida@sfc.wide.ad.jp>
X-Original-To: multipathtcp@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: multipathtcp@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD6D3A6BFC for <multipathtcp@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 04:02:20 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: 1.941
X-Spam-Level: *
X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.941 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, RELAY_IS_203=0.994]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Q2y+tONxAdt for <multipathtcp@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 04:02:20 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.142.146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040613A6AF4 for <multipathtcp@ietf.org>; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 04:02:20 -0800 (PST)
Received: from localhost (cpu.sfc.wide.ad.jp [IPv6:2001:200:0:8803:203:178:142:143]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2928F4C07F; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 21:03:05 +0900 (JST)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:03:05 +0900
Message-Id: <20100205.210305.246824424.nishida@sfc.wide.ad.jp>
To: alan.ford@roke.co.uk
From: Yoshifumi Nishida <nishida@sfc.wide.ad.jp>
In-Reply-To: <2181C5F19DD0254692452BFF3EAF1D68095EDC61@rsys005a.comm.ad.roke.co.uk>
References: <2181C5F19DD0254692452BFF3EAF1D68095EDC61@rsys005a.comm.ad.roke.co.uk>
X-Mailer: Mew version 6.2 on Emacs 22.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI)
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Cc: multipathtcp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [multipathtcp] New Version of MPTCP Architecture Draft
X-BeenThere: multipathtcp@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: Multi-path extensions for TCP <multipathtcp.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multipathtcp>, <mailto:multipathtcp-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/multipathtcp>
List-Post: <mailto:multipathtcp@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:multipathtcp-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multipathtcp>, <mailto:multipathtcp-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:02:20 -0000

Hello Alan, 

I have several questions on the reliability section.
Could you elaborate a bit?

In section 4.2, you mentioned that there are currently no connection 
levels acks. However, after a few lines later, you also mentioned connection
level MPTCP ACKs are not cumulative. Isn't it contradictionary?

If connection level MPTCP ACK exists, what does it look like? Why it cannot
be cumulative? 

".. The receiver can simply drop out-of-order segements if needed (for instnace,
due to memory pressure)."  Could you elaborate how this situation happens?

".. if the proxy acks a segment and then crashes, the sender will not retransmit
the lost segment on another subflow." To deal with this case, I think MPTCP 
needs to keep data for a while even if it is acked by subflow. But, it looks 
very expensive. Do we need to support this?

Thanks,
--
Yoshifumi Nishida
nishida@sfc.wide.ad.jp

From: "Ford, Alan" <alan.ford@roke.co.uk>
Subject: [multipathtcp] New Version of MPTCP Architecture Draft
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:03:24 -0000
Message-ID: <2181C5F19DD0254692452BFF3EAF1D68095EDC61@rsys005a.comm.ad.roke.co.uk>

 > Hi all,
 > 
 > We have submitted an updated version of the MPTCP architecture draft,
 > which can be found at:
 > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ford-mptcp-architecture-01.txt
 > 
 > This is a significant change from the previous version, concentrating
 > now on how core architectural principles will lead to high-level design
 > decisions for a MPTCP protocol.
 > 
 > It is intended to present and discuss this draft at the interim audio
 > conference next week. In the meantime, we'd be very interested in
 > feedback and discussion, so please do send comments to the list.
 > 
 > Cheers,
 > Alan
 > 
 > _______________________________________________
 > multipathtcp mailing list
 > multipathtcp@ietf.org
 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multipathtcp