Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptance of draft-bonaventure-mptcp-converters ?
Olivier Bonaventure <olivier.bonaventure@tessares.net> Tue, 05 December 2017 07:51 UTC
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From: Olivier Bonaventure <olivier.bonaventure@tessares.net>
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Subject: Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptance of draft-bonaventure-mptcp-converters ?
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Yuchung, >> >> My position is as follows: >> - I don't think this doc should be adopted by the WG > I too do not support the adoption for similar reasons above, even > though I'd love to see more usage of TFO and MPTCP. > > TFO today is still facing bad middle-boxes issues and > demands extreme conservative heuristics to deploy (see last > presentation by Praveen in tcpm). Ultimately they need to be > applied by either the client or the proposed converters. Recent measurements show indeed that TFO does not work everywhere. However, there is a very large fraction of all the deployed IP networks where TFO works perfectly. The documented problems with TFO affect clients willing to use TFO to reach any server over the Internet. This is not the deployment scenario for the converters. Converters will either be deployed in networks that have been configured to support TFO or where clients always pass through the same (pool of) converters. In this case, a client can easily verify whether the path towards its converter is safe for TFO. If not, the conversion service would be disabled on this client. Olivier -- ------------------------------ DISCLAIMER. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.
- [multipathtcp] Working group acceptance of draft-… Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
- Re: [multipathtcp] Working group acceptance of dr… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] Working group acceptance of dr… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Yuchung Cheng
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Eggert, Lars
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Yuchung Cheng
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Mirja Kühlewind
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… 서성훈 (5G Core Project)
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Gregory Detal
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Stefano Secci
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Kuhn Nicolas
- Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptanc… Muley, Praveen (Nokia - US/Mountain View)
- Re: [multipathtcp] Working group acceptance of dr… Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)