Re: [multipathtcp] Number of DSS to store
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Cc: "multipathtcp@ietf.org" <multipathtcp@ietf.org>, Mahesh M <Mahesh.M@citrix.com>, Ilpo Järvinen <ilpo.jarvinen@helsinki.fi>
Subject: Re: [multipathtcp] Number of DSS to store
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Anumita, > Continuing on the topic of SACK and on Duplicate ACKs in general; > > Seeking clarification on this statement in the draft: > > This changes > the semantics of a duplicate ACK, these are usually only sent as a > signal of a lost segment [9] in regular TCP. Therefore, an MPTCP > implementation receiving a duplicate ACK which contains an MPTCP > option MUST NOT treat it as a signal of congestion. Additionally, an > MPTCP implementation SHOULD NOT send more than two duplicate ACKs in > a row for signaling purposes, so as to ensure no middleboxes > misinterpret this as a sign of congestion. In this paragraph, "signaling purposes" means a duplicate ACK that is only used to convey signalling information, ie. add address or remove address. During the data transfert, a duplicate ACK can contain the following options : - DSS - MP_PRIO - ADD_ADDR - REMOVE_ADDR A packet should only contain one DSS option but an MPTCP sender could need to send several MP_PRIO, ADD_ADDR and REMOVE_ADDR. The paragraph above was written to convey the idea that a duplicate ACK containing these options should not trigger a congestion response. It seems that it is a bit vague. Would the following be clearer ? "This changes the semantics of a duplicate ACK, these are usually only sent as a signal of a lost segment [9] in regular TCP. Therefore, an MPTCP implementation receiving a duplicate ACK which contains the MP_PRIO, ADD_ADDR or REMOVE_ADDR MPTCP option MUST NOT treat it as a signal of congestion. Additionally, an MPTCP implementation SHOULD NOT send more than two duplicate ACKs in a row containing any of these three options, so as to ensure no middleboxes misinterpret this as a sign of congestion." > An MPTCP connection is likely going to be sending DSS option, Data ACK > or Data ACK+DSS option in almost all packets. There is also sufficient > discussion in the draft that indicate that one or more SACK block can > fit in along with MPTCP options for most of the lower length DSS option > variants. Indicating that one can send loss information along with MPTCP > options. But the above statement seemed to indicate that an MPTCP > implementation receiving SACK in a packet along with MPTCP options must > not treat it as a signal of congestion? Even if SACK was not negotiated, > then the above statement indicates that Duplicate ACK should be sent as > a separate segment not tied with a packet containing MPTCP options. > There seems to be a contradiction between the above statement and say > the section that discussed comibining SACK with MPTCP "Appendix A. Notes > on use of TCP Options"? > > Or is the draft saying that one must treat the ACK field in a segment > with MPTCP options not as a Duplicate ACK unless it contains SACK? I > guess not. SACK should only complement Duplicate ACKs for indicating > packet loss. Also, why would an implementation send more than two > duplicate ACKs in a row unless it received two out of order packets in a > row? given the maximum length of the TCP options, when there are many SACKs to report, an MPTCP implementation will have to chose between sending SACKS and sending DSS/timestamp. Experimentation on the Internet is needed to provide better implementation guidance in this case. Olivier -- INL, ICTEAM, UCLouvain, Belgium, http://inl.info.ucl.ac.be
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- Re: [multipathtcp] Number of DSS to store Christoph Paasch
- Re: [multipathtcp] Number of DSS to store Alan Ford (alanford)
- Re: [multipathtcp] Number of DSS to store Alan Ford (alanford)
- Re: [multipathtcp] Number of DSS to store Anumita Biswas
- Re: [multipathtcp] Number of DSS to store Christoph Paasch
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