Re: [multrans] Section 4.5. "Combination of ASM and SSM Modes" in the Problem Statement

Tom Taylor <tom111.taylor@bell.net> Tue, 07 June 2011 16:32 UTC

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Subject: Re: [multrans] Section 4.5. "Combination of ASM and SSM Modes" in the Problem Statement
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My major point is that you are trying to achieve tree optimization. ASM
is just a means to that end. There could be other solutions. So it 
certainly doesn't belong in the title of the section.

If you are looking for use cases, I have more pressing ones for you to 
consider. True ASM, as for videoconferencing, is one of them.

On 07/06/2011 9:48 AM, christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Please see inline.
>
> [snip] Section 4.5 is really talking about multicast sub-tree
> optimization, achieved by taking advantage of the fact that there are
> multiple sources, each with its own tree to start with. ASM is just a
> speculative approach to the method of achieving this. It's not full
> ASM anyway, since there is no intention to treat the IPv4 sources as
> receivers.
>
> CJ: ASM does not necessarily assume the source/receiver heuristic.
> It's about shared trees whose root happens to be a router of the
> multicast network. Nothing prevents you from using ASM to deliver
> live TV broadcasting for example.
>
> I assume that the optimization criterion is to reduce the aggregate
> capacity required to carry the flows through the IPv6 network. I
> don't know whether the intended algorithm is meant to operate
> dynamically each time a receiver requests a multicast stream, or is
> meant to operate offline given the stable positions of the sources,
> at least. In any event, this sounds like an interesting research
> project, but I don't think it's a suitable topic for the Problem
> Statement.
>
> CJ: well, if you consider the case where service provider #1 operates
> the IPv4 multicast domain in a SSM fashion and (access) service
> provider #2 decides to operate the IPv6 multicast domain in an ASM
> fashion for some reason, I think it may be an interesting research
> project (although I don't really get what your above notion of
> intended algorithm is about), but it can surely be a possible use
> case, especially in wholesale or deregulated access environments.
> This is why I still think the section is worth the elaboration.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Christian.
>
>
>
> My vote is to drop the section.
>
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