Re: [multrans] Section 4.5. "Combination of ASM and SSM Modes" in the Problem Statement
Tom Taylor <tom111.taylor@bell.net> Tue, 07 June 2011 16:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [multrans] Section 4.5. "Combination of ASM and SSM Modes" in
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My major point is that you are trying to achieve tree optimization. ASM is just a means to that end. There could be other solutions. So it certainly doesn't belong in the title of the section. If you are looking for use cases, I have more pressing ones for you to consider. True ASM, as for videoconferencing, is one of them. On 07/06/2011 9:48 AM, christian.jacquenet@orange-ftgroup.com wrote: > Tom, > > Please see inline. > > [snip] Section 4.5 is really talking about multicast sub-tree > optimization, achieved by taking advantage of the fact that there are > multiple sources, each with its own tree to start with. ASM is just a > speculative approach to the method of achieving this. It's not full > ASM anyway, since there is no intention to treat the IPv4 sources as > receivers. > > CJ: ASM does not necessarily assume the source/receiver heuristic. > It's about shared trees whose root happens to be a router of the > multicast network. Nothing prevents you from using ASM to deliver > live TV broadcasting for example. > > I assume that the optimization criterion is to reduce the aggregate > capacity required to carry the flows through the IPv6 network. I > don't know whether the intended algorithm is meant to operate > dynamically each time a receiver requests a multicast stream, or is > meant to operate offline given the stable positions of the sources, > at least. In any event, this sounds like an interesting research > project, but I don't think it's a suitable topic for the Problem > Statement. > > CJ: well, if you consider the case where service provider #1 operates > the IPv4 multicast domain in a SSM fashion and (access) service > provider #2 decides to operate the IPv6 multicast domain in an ASM > fashion for some reason, I think it may be an interesting research > project (although I don't really get what your above notion of > intended algorithm is about), but it can surely be a possible use > case, especially in wholesale or deregulated access environments. > This is why I still think the section is worth the elaboration. > > Cheers, > > Christian. > > > > My vote is to drop the section. > > Tom Taylor _______________________________________________ multrans > mailing list multrans@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multrans > > ******************************************************************************** > > IMPORTANT.Les informations contenues dans ce message electronique y compris les fichiers attaches sont strictement confidentielles > et peuvent etre protegees par la loi. Ce message electronique est > destine exclusivement au(x) destinataire(s) mentionne(s) ci-dessus. > Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur ou s il ne vous est pas > destine, veuillez immediatement le signaler a l expediteur et > effacer ce message et tous les fichiers eventuellement attaches. > Toute lecture, exploitation ou transmission des informations > contenues dans ce message est interdite. Tout message electronique > est susceptible d alteration. A ce titre, le Groupe France Telecom > decline toute responsabilite notamment s il a ete altere, deforme ou > falsifie. De meme, il appartient au destinataire de s assurer de l > absence de tout virus. > > IMPORTANT.This e-mail message and any attachments are strictly > confidential and may be protected by law. This message is intended > only for the named recipient(s) above. If you have received this > message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please > immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message. Any > unauthorized view, usage or disclosure ofthis message is prohibited. > Since e-mail messages may not be reliable, France Telecom Group shall > not be liable for any message if modified, changed or falsified. > Additionally the recipient should ensure they are actually virus > free. > ******************************************************************************** > > > >
- [multrans] Section 4.5. "Combination of ASM and S… Tom Taylor
- Re: [multrans] Section 4.5. "Combination of ASM a… christian.jacquenet
- Re: [multrans] Section 4.5. "Combination of ASM a… Tom Taylor
- Re: [multrans] Section 4.5. "Combination of ASM a… Jacni Qin