[Nea] Proposed BCP addition - No-Late-Patent-Filing Rights - contract provision for BCP/NoteWell - Re: IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-nea-pt-tls-07
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Subject: [Nea] Proposed BCP addition - No-Late-Patent-Filing Rights - contract provision for BCP/NoteWell - Re: IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-nea-pt-tls-07
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On 10/4/2012 9:23 PM, Stephen Hanna wrote: > IETF Secretariat wrote: >> An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled >> "PT-TLS: A TCP-based Posture Transport (PT) Protocol" >> (draft-ietf-nea-pt-tls) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat >> on 2012-10-04 > Well, that's a pain in the neck! Actually its much more than that. Its why full disclosure at the start of a process of who the parties legally represent and what their interests in the standard process are so that full disclosure is there. But fixing this process is actually VERY SIMPLE... Just a 'component of an updated BCP which contractually commits that IETF members and their sponsors may not engage in submarining' its actually pretty simple to stop this... you folks just have to want to. The propose text could look something like: " Whereas - all parties working in the IETF have an open collaboration agreement, it is agreed that any Intellectual Properties developed by a commercial sponsor to the IETF will have full disclosure of their licensing provisions prior to any development taking place in the IETF and that those rights must be properly disclosed to all parties in the interest of open collaboration and global standards development." "Further any party formally participating or supplying IP to these initiative waves any rights to change those access rights and disclosure requirements by participating in the process after the development commences on any initiative". Todd > I'm not happy to see these > IPR disclosures come in so late in the process. PT-TLS is > already with the IESG and PT-EAP has passed two WGLCs and > is almost ready to go to the IESG. This IPR should have > been disclosed much earlier, if at all possible. > > At this time, I would encourage nea participants to read > (or re-read) RFC 3979, which describes how we handle IPR > disclosures in IETF. Also read the IPR disclosures to see > what's included in the patents in question and what IPR > licensing terms are being offered. > > I would ask Cisco to please provide a link to the actual > patent application (since I guess there is no patent yet > and I can't find the patent application) so that we can > see what technology is claimed to be covered. > > Thanks, > > Steve > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nea-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:nea-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >> IETF Secretariat >> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 5:45 PM >> To: Paul_Sangster@symantec.com; ncamwing@cisco.com; jsalowey@cisco.com >> Cc: nea@ietf.org; turners@ieca.com; ipr-announce@ietf.org >> Subject: [Nea] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to >> draft-ietf-nea-pt-tls-07 >> >> >> Dear Paul Sangster, Nancy Cam-Winget, Joseph A. Salowey: >> >> An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "PT- >> TLS: A TCP- >> based Posture Transport (PT) Protocol" (draft-ietf-nea-pt-tls) was >> submitted to >> the IETF Secretariat on 2012-10-04 and has been posted on the "IETF >> Page of >> Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1890/). The title of the IPR >> disclosure is >> "Cisco's Statement of IPR Related to draft-ietf-nea-pt-tls-07.""); >> >> The IETF Secretariat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nea mailing list >> Nea@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nea > _______________________________________________ > Nea mailing list > Nea@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nea > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2677 / Virus Database: 2591/5808 - Release Date: 10/03/12 > > -- Regards TSG "Ex-Cruce-Leo" //Confidential Mailing - Please destroy this if you are not the intended recipient.
- [Nea] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IPR Re… IETF Secretariat
- Re: [Nea] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IP… Stephen Hanna
- [Nea] Proposed BCP addition - No-Late-Patent-Fili… tglassey
- [Nea] Deciding How to Proceed with NEA Drafts Stephen Hanna
- Re: [Nea] Deciding How to Proceed with NEA Drafts tglassey
- Re: [Nea] Deciding How to Proceed with NEA Drafts… tglassey
- Re: [Nea] Deciding How to Proceed with NEA Drafts… Stephen Hanna
- Re: [Nea] Deciding How to Proceed with NEA Drafts Alan DeKok
- Re: [Nea] Deciding How to Proceed with NEA Drafts… tglassey
- Re: [Nea] Deciding How to Proceed with NEA Drafts Ira McDonald
- Re: [Nea] Deciding How to Proceed with NEA Drafts Kent_Landfield
- Re: [Nea] IPR Disclosure: Cisco's Statement of IP… Randy Turner
- Re: [Nea] Deciding How to Proceed with NEA Drafts Carolin Latze
- Re: [Nea] Deciding How to Proceed with NEA Drafts Stephen Hanna
- Re: [Nea] Deciding How to Proceed with NEA Drafts Stephen Hanna