Re: [Netmod-ver-dt] prelim IETF 107 slides for version selection
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From: "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" <jclarke@cisco.com>
To: "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" <jason.sterne@nokia.com>
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On Mar 30, 2020, at 17:03, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <jason.sterne@nokia.com<mailto:jason.sterne@nokia.com>> wrote: I've updated the version selection slides a fair bit. Enclosed and comments appreciated. I added some details to the issues and reordered things to put the NETCONF issues first. Looks good. I like the clarification on slide 14, but I admit I had to read it twice to see that you’re not talking config in paragraph 2. I added a slide to show relationships between packages, datastores and schema-sets. Love slide 9. Clarifies it well I think. Joe I added a slide to defer questions about the other drafts. Jason From: Joe Clarke (jclarke) <jclarke@cisco.com<mailto:jclarke@cisco.com>> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 4:15 PM To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <jason.sterne@nokia.com<mailto:jason.sterne@nokia.com>> Cc: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com<mailto:rwilton@cisco.com>>; netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org<mailto:netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Netmod-ver-dt] prelim IETF 107 slides for version selection On Mar 27, 2020, at 19:04, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <jason.sterne@nokia.com<mailto:jason.sterne@nokia.com>> wrote: Hi Joe, I like your point about the filename issue, but that's something for yang-module-versioning (not these slides). Ah, yeah. Sorry. I saw ‘@‘ and went to the filename thing since I had that on my mind. Our version-selection slides do have an issue about numbering but it is about the schema-set name. I added the bullet you mention to the last slide. Thanks. Joe Jason From: Joe Clarke (jclarke) <jclarke@cisco.com<mailto:jclarke@cisco.com>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 9:50 AM To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <jason.sterne@nokia.com<mailto:jason.sterne@nokia.com>> Cc: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com<mailto:rwilton@cisco.com>>; netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org<mailto:netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Netmod-ver-dt] prelim IETF 107 slides for version selection Since I had the issues part, a few perhaps aids there. For the file naming issue, I think showing an example of: ietf-interfaces@2018-02-20 vs. ietf-interfaces@1.3.0<mailto:ietf-interfaces@1.3.0> Is one way to illustrate the challenge. But smart parsers will deal with this easily. I think the bigger risk is something like this: vendor-example@2020-03-29 vs. vendor-example@2020-02-31 Where the latter is the second vendor release of 2020 with build ID 31 (something silly, but doable with revision-labels). Parsers that blindly assume something that looks like a date is may have other issues. Sure, we could add verbiage that a revision-label can’t look like a date or a semver, but perhaps it’s easier to have: vendor-example#2020-02-31 === On the last slide, based on our discussion the other day, should we add a bullet that says, “DT prefers this to remain as one document in netconf”? Joe On Mar 26, 2020, at 18:23, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <jason.sterne@nokia.com<mailto:jason.sterne@nokia.com>> wrote: Thx. See inline. Jason From: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com<mailto:rwilton@cisco.com>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:50 AM To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <jason.sterne@nokia.com<mailto:jason.sterne@nokia.com>>; netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org<mailto:netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org> Subject: RE: prelim IETF 107 slides for version selection Hi Jason, Slides generally look good to me. A few minor comments: On slide 2: • Perhaps change “some on the client” to “minimal for the client”[>>JTS: ] changed On slide 3: • I wasn’t sure that the second bullet completely scans. Should it just be “It can also be used to allow clients to select between YANG schema defined by different organizations”?[>>JTS: ] Yes - changed Between slides 4 and 5: • I think that it might be helpful to have an extra slide after 4, that covers the “selectable” leaf-list, and perhaps default too, both in configuration and <operational> [>>JTS: ] Added new slide 5 - please take a look. • Having a diagram to show the relationship between packages, datastore-schema, schema-sets, might be helpful, but only if someone has the time to do them. [>>JTS: ] I'll try to get some cycles to do that. Basically that schema-sets are comprised of packages (or rather packages for each datastore). But what do you mean by datastore-schema? That term is mentioned once in the version selection draft. Is it defined somewhere else? Thanks, Rob From: Netmod-ver-dt <netmod-ver-dt-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:netmod-ver-dt-bounces@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) Sent: 13 March 2020 20:37 To: netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org<mailto:netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org> Subject: [Netmod-ver-dt] prelim IETF 107 slides for version selection Hi guys, I put together some slides on the changes to version selection since the previous IETF in case someone needs to present these next week while I'm away (seems unlikely though). Joe - can you take ownership of this preso for next week and add your "Issues"? If we don't present before I'm back (Monday March 23) then I can help polish them further but I wanted to at least get this part to the DT. Rgds, Jason <ietf-107-netmod-yang-ver-selection-update-v2.pptx>_______________________________________________ Netmod-ver-dt mailing list Netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org<mailto:Netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod-ver-dt <ietf-107-netmod-yang-ver-selection-update-v3.pptx>
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