Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices
Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Mon, 10 December 2012 17:02 UTC
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From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
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Subject: Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices
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On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 08:34:57AM -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > A: deploying standards is very expensive. Temporary fixes last 10 - 20 > years around here. > There is no such thing. Get it right the first time or pay the price for > many years to come. > > B: There happens to be a 6021bis draft: > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-schoenw-netmod-rfc6021-bis-00.txt > It adds 'hex-string' and 'uuid' to ietf-yang-types.yang. > (A 'Changes Since RFC 6021' section would make that more clear.) > > There are many useful typedefs in the common-types.yang module in > the proposed ACL draft. > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-huang-netmod-acl-01.txt > > I don't know how practical it is to re-open 6021 every time the WG thinks of > a new typedef to add. But it seems easier than chartering and publishing > new work, > and it is better for YANG developers to keep the standard types in a lot > of random modules. > > I don't agree with any of the 4 options above. I prefer: > > 5) work on 6021bis for a short time (1 - 2 months) and > publish reusable data types only in 1 place (6021bis). The question is whether 1-2 months is realistic. It will likely be 6 months in the WG. The devil is in the details and some of the details tend to only pop up at WG last calls. So are we fine with having the IP and routing data models sitting in the RFC queue for whatever time it takes to revise, approve, publish 6021 (in my calculation this is more likely 6 months plus IESG processing plus RFC queue time, so 8-10 months)? /js PS: My record so far has been RFC 4789 which took about 6 months from initial I-D to RFC published. This was AD sponsored (no WG to reach concensus) and a topic most people find kind of esoteric. Hence I am questioning the 1-2 months unless we already limit the scope of additions to consider for 6021bis. -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/>
- [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip / ro… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … t.petch
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … t.petch
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … t.petch
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Ladislav Lhotka
- [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … t.petch
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Alexander Clemm (alex)
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Ladislav Lhotka
- [netmod] LL review of interfaces and ip drafts Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] 2nd wg last call on interfaces / ip … Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] LL review of interfaces and ip drafts Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Jonathan Hansford
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices t.petch
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices t.petch
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices t.petch
- Re: [netmod] IP addresses with zone indices Andy Bierman