[netmod] Re: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-25 telechat Secdir review

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To: Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>, "secdir@ietf.org" <secdir@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-25 telechat Secdir review
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Hi Yoav,

Thank you for the thoughtful review. 

For your "oddity" point :-), this "style" is inherited from 8407 where we have the following: 

   This section MUST be patterned after the latest approved template
   (available at <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-
   guidelines>).  Section 3.7.1 contains the security considerations
   template dated 2013-05-08 and last updated on 2018-07-02.  Authors
   MUST check the web page at the URL listed above in case there is a
   more recent version available.

Having a readily available URL there is more convenient for YANG modules authors. 

That’s said, I don't have a strong objection to format this as a "normal" reference entry if you think that is better. Thanks.

Cheers,
Med (as editor)

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Yoav Nir via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org>
> Envoyé : dimanche 25 mai 2025 22:27
> À : secdir@ietf.org
> Cc : draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis.all@ietf.org; last-call@ietf.org;
> netmod@ietf.org
> Objet : draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-25 telechat Secdir review
> 
> Document: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis
> Title: Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of Documents Containing
> YANG Data Models Reviewer: Yoav Nir Review result: Ready
> 
> Well, this is very meta. I'm reviewing a document about guidelines
> for (authors
> and) reviewers of documents. In particular, documents contraining
> YANG models.
> My review is specifically a security (directorate) review, and the
> document has a section (3.7) about (writing and) reviewing Security
> Considerations sections.
> The document, among other things, defines (in section 3.7.1) a
> template for the Security Considerations section of documents
> containing YANG modules.
> 
> The document has an obligatory Security Consideration section of
> its own, that sadly does not follow the template in section 3.7.1,
> even though section 5.1 does seem to register the "ietf-template"
> and the "iana-template" YANG modules.
> However, those only exists as examples, so that is fine. Instead
> the section has the usual (and true) statement that the document
> does not introduce any new risks.
> 
> Section 3.7 has guidelines for the Security Considerations,
> specifically that documents following RFC 8791 (data structure
> extensions) are exempt from following the template in 3.7.1, while
> others are not. I'm no expert on YANG, but the content of the
> template seems fine, discussing the need for authentication and
> authorization when writing to writable nodes, and the protection of
> sensitive data in the readable nodes. The template does not go into
> details about what sensitive data is, but that varies by domain and
> cannot be generalized to all uses of YANG. To me, the template
> looks fine, and I have seen it or earlier versions of it in
> previous documents.
> 
> There is one oddity that I'd like to point out. Section 3.7 gives a
> URL for the "official template". The webpage for that URL has the
> exact same text as the template in section 3.7.1. That is fine now,
> but the text is explicit that the text of the template on the web
> page may change - "Authors MUST check the web page at the URL
> listed above in case there is a more recent version available".
> The template itself does not contain RFC 2119 terminology, and
> anyway, the Security Considerations section in any document is
> subject to review whether it is based on a template or not.  Still,
> it is strange for a document to reference like that (and it is not
> mentioned in the References section) a web page that is subject to
> change.
> 
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