Re: [netmod] RFC7952 JSON streaming decoding efficiency?

"Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com> Thu, 28 February 2019 09:55 UTC

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From: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com>
To: Robert Varga <nite@hq.sk>, "netmod@ietf.org" <netmod@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [netmod] RFC7952 JSON streaming decoding efficiency?
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Subject: Re: [netmod] RFC7952 JSON streaming decoding efficiency?
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Broadly sounds like a reasonable idea to me, but I suspect that others may argue that you are just creating a new JSON like language.

If we were to investigate anything like this, then it might also be a good idea to consider the ordering of list keys within a list entry (i.e. put them first).

Thanks,
Rob


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From: Robert Varga <nite@hq.sk> 
Sent: 28 February 2019 09:46
To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com>; netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netmod] RFC7952 JSON streaming decoding efficiency?

On 28/02/2019 10:29, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote:
> Hi Robert,

Hey Rob,

> Isn't this just a limitation of JSON, in that the elements in an object are unordered (RFC 8259)?

Yes, but I believe this is object semantics leaking to on-wire format:
while a JSON object is inherently unordered, when emitting object to the wire, implementations can choose to order the pairs to make receiver-side processing more efficient.

I wonder if it would be of value to communicate such assumptions out of band, like separate content-types. In case of RFC7952 the following hints would be useful:
- the document does not contain metadata (i.e. plain RFC7951)
- "@" occurs as a first element in an object or not at all
- "@foo" occurs immediately after "foo" or not at all

This, of course, would be purely optional optimization...

Regards,
Robert