Re: [Network-tokens] Network Tokens and HBH option

Yiannis Yiakoumis <yiannis@selfienetworks.com> Mon, 13 July 2020 06:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Network-tokens] Network Tokens and HBH option
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(cross-posting on network-tokens - apologies for duplicates)

Hi Erik,

While there is an overlap with APN, there is more than just an authentication element.

Take for example a user-centric, application-agnostic QoS service, where the tokens just describe the type of service a user wants to use (e.g., low latency). There is nothing there that specifies the application which will use the token, and the OS can step up and manage/acquire tokens on behalf of the user. (We've been developing this use case as one that matches EU's net neutrality framework for QoS).

Regarding abuse: we are thinking of tokens as an equivalent of access tokens/JWT and OATH workflows. Surely one could abuse them, but we expect/want the community to come-up with a small number of well-defined workflows that are well understood, widely adopted, and protect users.

Best,

Yiannis

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On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 10:42 PM, Erik Kline < ek.ietf@gmail.com > wrote:

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> Is this APN6 w/ an added authentication element?
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> I maybe have not fully digested everything, but there seems to me to be
> some cause for concern about abuse. For example, what's to keep an
> enormous incumbent mobile operator from mandating the use of this on
> devices permitted to attach to their network? Seems like there could be
> concerning aspects for users/OSes that are hidden behind the promise of
> things like zero rating.
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> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:54 AM Tom Herbert < tom@ herbertland. com (
> tom@herbertland.com ) > wrote:
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>> Hello,
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>> This is a draft on "Network Tokens" which is a form of host-to-network
>> signaling for the purposes of providing a highly granular network services
>> and QoS to applications. A primary mechanism to carry the signaling is
>> expected to be a Hop-by-Hop option.
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>> https:/ / tools. ietf. org/ html/ draft-yiakoumis-network-tokens-01 (
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yiakoumis-network-tokens-01 )
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>> There is also a mailing list in
>> https:/ / www. ietf. org/ mailman/ listinfo/ network-tokens (
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/network-tokens )
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>> We are planning to present in tsvwg and app aware networking and possibly
>> have a side meeting on this topic in IETF108.
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>> Thanks,
>> Tom
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