Re: [nfsv4] I-D Action: draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpc-tls-04.txt

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 2:17 AM spencer shepler <spencer.shepler@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> <with my working group co-chair hat OFF>
>

I don't believe that for a minute

> As to the milestone date, I asked the author for a date - one was
> provided.  It doesn't need to be then - could be much earlier.  What it
> takes to move a document to the point of WGLC is effort by the authors to
> shepherd it through the reviews necessary.
>

Note this document has *already* reached the point of WGLC. If it hadn't, a
six-month delay would not be troubling

Calling for conference calls, making the updates, working with individuals
> for their time for feedback. time to update the document, etc, etc.  We all
> have work projects that move much more quickly and we know how to make that
> happen - it can happen in the context of the IETF but it takes time and
> effort.
>

  Chuck has put in the necessary effort and I expect him to do so in the
future.

> You have Magnus' attention now.  So if the WG chairs become a burden in
> the future with respect to timely response - he will correct it.
>

I think of the timely response problem as an ongoing one that Magnus needs
to address.

> So... want an earlier date? Ask for the milestone to be set to that
> earlier date and execute.
>

I want to be clear that I am not faulting Chuck's choice.  In fact, knowing
the history and the fact that nothing has been done to address the
underlying issues, I might have made a similar choice, albeit with gritted
teeth.

> If June 2020 is reasonable given the scope of the document, time the
> author has to commit or other factors outside of the WG chairs past
> behavior,
>

If the shepherding crisis never happened, I would have chosen March 2020.

then that is fine as well but don't wave your hands in the air and lament
> the past.
>

I think we need to seriously address the past including a believable
explanation for the delay with cm-private-data and an apology to Chuck.

> Spencer
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 10:26 PM David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> How do people feel about June 2020?
>>>
>>
>> It is certainly doable.
>>
>> On the other hand, I find it distressing that people have come to treat
>> delays of the order that we have seen with cm-private-data (six months from
>> completion of WGLC) as expected.
>>
>> Given that Magnus has raised the possibility of the working group's
>> demise, I feel the need to "rage against the dying of the light".
>>
>>
>>
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