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The TMF is actively working in this area, and I can represent them. I agree
with JP, and recommend that we start with the second topic.

regards,
John
 
John Strassner
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90 South Cascade Avenue
Colorado Springs, CO  80903  USA
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  FAX: +1.719.785.0644
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-----Original Message-----
From: J.P. Martin-Flatin [mailto:jp.martin-flatin@ieee.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 5:42 AM
To: Network Management Research Group
Subject: Re: [nmrg] meeting next to NOMS 2002 in Italy

Perhaps we could try to draft what Andrea calls an Abstract Technology 
Model (ATM) -- what I call a Universal Information Model (UIM) -- based on 
existing work by the IETF, DMTF, and ITU-T?

If so, I think we should schedule 2 days for our next NMRG meeting and 
limit our discussions to only one of the two topics suggested by Dave:

  - ATM/UIM derived from the DMTF Event Model and ITU-T X.731?

  - ATM/UIM derived from the IETF Entity MIB, the DMTF System and Network
    Models, and the ITU-T M.3100

JP

Andrea Westerinen wrote:

> I will also be at NOMS - so we could bring the DMTF work into both
> discussions.
> 
> Andrea
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de [mailto:owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de]On
> Behalf Of David T. Perkins
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:02 AM
> To: Network Management Research Group
> Subject: Re: [nmrg] meeting next to NOMS 2002 in Italy
> 
> 
> HI,
> 
> This would be a fantastic opportunity to talk about two topics:
> 1) fault/alarm management (since several attendees are suppose
>    to be experts) and this would be where we can make some
>    real progress on getting the model well defined (since
>    I'm still having problems with the DISMAN work)
> 2) convergence of the Entity MIB and the M.3100 models for
>    chassis management. And the state management from
>    X.731, which has no counter part in the IETF MIB modules.
> 
> Regards,
> /david t. perkins
> 
> 
> At 12:29 PM 1/15/2002 +0100, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:
> 
> 
>>Shall we hold an NMRG meeting next to NOMS 2002 in Italy? See
>><http://www.comsoc.org/confs/noms/2002/index.html> for more details on
>>NOMS 2002. Perhaps Luca can help us with some of the logistics if
>>we do an NMRG meeting in Italy before or after NOMS 2002?
>>
>>I guess that many folks will be at NOMS anyway so it might be a good
>>opportunity to do some additional work. Let me know what you think and
>>whether you have any particular topics you want to put on the agenda.
>>
>>/js
>>
>>--
>>Juergen Schoenwaelder      University of Osnabrueck
>><schoenw@inf.uos.de>       Dept. of Mathematics and Computer Science
>>Phone: +49 541 969 2483    Albrechtstr. 28, 49069 Osnabrueck, Germany
>>Fax:   +49 541 969 2770    <http://www.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de/>



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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The TMF is actively working in this area, and I can =
represent them. I agree with JP, and recommend that we start with the =
second topic.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>regards,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>John</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>John Strassner</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Chief Strategy Officer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Intelliden Corporation</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>90 South Cascade Avenue</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Colorado Springs, CO&nbsp; 80903&nbsp; USA</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>phone: +1.719.785.0648</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; FAX: +1.719.785.0644</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>email: john.strassner@intelliden.com </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: J.P. Martin-Flatin [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:jp.martin-flatin@ieee.org">mailto:jp.martin-flatin@ieee.o=
rg</A>] </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 5:42 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Network Management Research Group</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: [nmrg] meeting next to NOMS 2002 in =
Italy</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Perhaps we could try to draft what Andrea calls an =
Abstract Technology </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Model (ATM) -- what I call a Universal Information =
Model (UIM) -- based on </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>existing work by the IETF, DMTF, and ITU-T?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If so, I think we should schedule 2 days for our next =
NMRG meeting and </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>limit our discussions to only one of the two topics =
suggested by Dave:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; - ATM/UIM derived from the DMTF Event Model =
and ITU-T X.731?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; - ATM/UIM derived from the IETF Entity MIB, =
the DMTF System and Network</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Models, and the ITU-T =
M.3100</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>JP</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Andrea Westerinen wrote:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I will also be at NOMS - so we could bring the =
DMTF work into both</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; discussions.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Andrea</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de">mailto:owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-b=
s.de</A>]On</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Behalf Of David T. Perkins</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:02 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: Network Management Research Group</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: Re: [nmrg] meeting next to NOMS 2002 =
in Italy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; HI,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; This would be a fantastic opportunity to talk =
about two topics:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; 1) fault/alarm management (since several =
attendees are suppose</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to be experts) and this would =
be where we can make some</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; real progress on getting the =
model well defined (since</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm still having problems =
with the DISMAN work)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; 2) convergence of the Entity MIB and the M.3100 =
models for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; chassis management. And the =
state management from</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; X.731, which has no counter =
part in the IETF MIB modules.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Regards,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; /david t. perkins</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; At 12:29 PM 1/15/2002 +0100, Juergen =
Schoenwaelder wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;Shall we hold an NMRG meeting next to NOMS =
2002 in Italy? See</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;&lt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.comsoc.org/confs/noms/2002/index.html" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.comsoc.org/confs/noms/2002/index.html</A>&g=
t; for more details on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;NOMS 2002. Perhaps Luca can help us with =
some of the logistics if</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;we do an NMRG meeting in Italy before or =
after NOMS 2002?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;I guess that many folks will be at NOMS =
anyway so it might be a good</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;opportunity to do some additional work. Let =
me know what you think and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;whether you have any particular topics you =
want to put on the agenda.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;/js</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;--</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;Juergen =
Schoenwaelder&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; University of =
Osnabrueck</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;&lt;schoenw@inf.uos.de&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; Dept. of Mathematics and Computer Science</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;Phone: +49 541 969 2483&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Albrechtstr. 28, 49069 Osnabrueck, Germany</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&gt;Fax:&nbsp;&nbsp; +49 541 969 =
2770&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de/" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de/</A>&gt;</FONT=
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Hi

I will be there too.

Aiko

Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:
> 
> Shall we hold an NMRG meeting next to NOMS 2002 in Italy? See
> <http://www.comsoc.org/confs/noms/2002/index.html> for more details on
> NOMS 2002. Perhaps Luca can help us with some of the logistics if
> we do an NMRG meeting in Italy before or after NOMS 2002?
> 
> I guess that many folks will be at NOMS anyway so it might be a good
> opportunity to do some additional work. Let me know what you think and
> whether you have any particular topics you want to put on the agenda.
> 
> /js
> 
> --
> Juergen Schoenwaelder      University of Osnabrueck
> <schoenw@inf.uos.de>       Dept. of Mathematics and Computer Science
> Phone: +49 541 969 2483    Albrechtstr. 28, 49069 Osnabrueck, Germany
> Fax:   +49 541 969 2770    <http://www.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de/>


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Perhaps we could try to draft what Andrea calls an Abstract Technology 
Model (ATM) -- what I call a Universal Information Model (UIM) -- based on 
existing work by the IETF, DMTF, and ITU-T?

If so, I think we should schedule 2 days for our next NMRG meeting and 
limit our discussions to only one of the two topics suggested by Dave:

  - ATM/UIM derived from the DMTF Event Model and ITU-T X.731?

  - ATM/UIM derived from the IETF Entity MIB, the DMTF System and Network
    Models, and the ITU-T M.3100

JP

Andrea Westerinen wrote:

> I will also be at NOMS - so we could bring the DMTF work into both
> discussions.
> 
> Andrea
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de [mailto:owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de]On
> Behalf Of David T. Perkins
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:02 AM
> To: Network Management Research Group
> Subject: Re: [nmrg] meeting next to NOMS 2002 in Italy
> 
> 
> HI,
> 
> This would be a fantastic opportunity to talk about two topics:
> 1) fault/alarm management (since several attendees are suppose
>    to be experts) and this would be where we can make some
>    real progress on getting the model well defined (since
>    I'm still having problems with the DISMAN work)
> 2) convergence of the Entity MIB and the M.3100 models for
>    chassis management. And the state management from
>    X.731, which has no counter part in the IETF MIB modules.
> 
> Regards,
> /david t. perkins
> 
> 
> At 12:29 PM 1/15/2002 +0100, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:
> 
> 
>>Shall we hold an NMRG meeting next to NOMS 2002 in Italy? See
>><http://www.comsoc.org/confs/noms/2002/index.html> for more details on
>>NOMS 2002. Perhaps Luca can help us with some of the logistics if
>>we do an NMRG meeting in Italy before or after NOMS 2002?
>>
>>I guess that many folks will be at NOMS anyway so it might be a good
>>opportunity to do some additional work. Let me know what you think and
>>whether you have any particular topics you want to put on the agenda.
>>
>>/js
>>
>>--
>>Juergen Schoenwaelder      University of Osnabrueck
>><schoenw@inf.uos.de>       Dept. of Mathematics and Computer Science
>>Phone: +49 541 969 2483    Albrechtstr. 28, 49069 Osnabrueck, Germany
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I will also be at NOMS - so we could bring the DMTF work into both
discussions.

Andrea

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HI,

This would be a fantastic opportunity to talk about two topics:
1) fault/alarm management (since several attendees are suppose
   to be experts) and this would be where we can make some
   real progress on getting the model well defined (since
   I'm still having problems with the DISMAN work)
2) convergence of the Entity MIB and the M.3100 models for
   chassis management. And the state management from
   X.731, which has no counter part in the IETF MIB modules.

Regards,
/david t. perkins


At 12:29 PM 1/15/2002 +0100, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:

>Shall we hold an NMRG meeting next to NOMS 2002 in Italy? See
><http://www.comsoc.org/confs/noms/2002/index.html> for more details on
>NOMS 2002. Perhaps Luca can help us with some of the logistics if
>we do an NMRG meeting in Italy before or after NOMS 2002?
>
>I guess that many folks will be at NOMS anyway so it might be a good
>opportunity to do some additional work. Let me know what you think and
>whether you have any particular topics you want to put on the agenda.
>
>/js
>
>--
>Juergen Schoenwaelder      University of Osnabrueck
><schoenw@inf.uos.de>       Dept. of Mathematics and Computer Science
>Phone: +49 541 969 2483    Albrechtstr. 28, 49069 Osnabrueck, Germany
>Fax:   +49 541 969 2770    <http://www.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de/>




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HI,

This would be a fantastic opportunity to talk about two topics:
1) fault/alarm management (since several attendees are suppose
   to be experts) and this would be where we can make some
   real progress on getting the model well defined (since
   I'm still having problems with the DISMAN work)
2) convergence of the Entity MIB and the M.3100 models for
   chassis management. And the state management from 
   X.731, which has no counter part in the IETF MIB modules.

Regards,
/david t. perkins


At 12:29 PM 1/15/2002 +0100, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:

>Shall we hold an NMRG meeting next to NOMS 2002 in Italy? See
><http://www.comsoc.org/confs/noms/2002/index.html> for more details on
>NOMS 2002. Perhaps Luca can help us with some of the logistics if
>we do an NMRG meeting in Italy before or after NOMS 2002?
>
>I guess that many folks will be at NOMS anyway so it might be a good
>opportunity to do some additional work. Let me know what you think and
>whether you have any particular topics you want to put on the agenda.
>
>/js
>
>-- 
>Juergen Schoenwaelder      University of Osnabrueck
><schoenw@inf.uos.de>       Dept. of Mathematics and Computer Science
>Phone: +49 541 969 2483    Albrechtstr. 28, 49069 Osnabrueck, Germany
>Fax:   +49 541 969 2770    <http://www.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de/>



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Yes, I think it would be a good idea to meet in Florence. I can give a 
30-minute informal update on my recent work on information modeling, if 
some of you are interested.

Juergen, could you give us a short update on SNMP-over-TCP on that 
occasion? Are there items we could work on during this meeting that would 
help finalize the RFC?

Regarding schedule, I plan to attend several NOMS tutorials, so I'd rather 
we meet before the Monday tutorials or after the Friday tutorials. I am 
currently free on the following half days:

  - Sat 13 am + pm
  - Sun 14 am + pm
  - Fri 19 pm
  - Sat 20 am + pm
  - Sun 21 am + pm

JP

Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:

> Shall we hold an NMRG meeting next to NOMS 2002 in Italy? See
> <http://www.comsoc.org/confs/noms/2002/index.html> for more details on
> NOMS 2002. Perhaps Luca can help us with some of the logistics if
> we do an NMRG meeting in Italy before or after NOMS 2002?
> 
> I guess that many folks will be at NOMS anyway so it might be a good
> opportunity to do some additional work. Let me know what you think and
> whether you have any particular topics you want to put on the agenda.
> 
> /js




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I am not so sure yet that I will be at NOMS.

Bert 

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:29 PM
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> Subject: [nmrg] meeting next to NOMS 2002 in Italy
> 
> 
> 
> Shall we hold an NMRG meeting next to NOMS 2002 in Italy? See
> <http://www.comsoc.org/confs/noms/2002/index.html> for more details on
> NOMS 2002. Perhaps Luca can help us with some of the logistics if
> we do an NMRG meeting in Italy before or after NOMS 2002?
> 
> I guess that many folks will be at NOMS anyway so it might be a good
> opportunity to do some additional work. Let me know what you think and
> whether you have any particular topics you want to put on the agenda.
> 
> /js
> 
> -- 
> Juergen Schoenwaelder      University of Osnabrueck
> <schoenw@inf.uos.de>       Dept. of Mathematics and Computer Science
> Phone: +49 541 969 2483    Albrechtstr. 28, 49069 Osnabrueck, Germany
> Fax:   +49 541 969 2770    <http://www.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de/>
> 
> 


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Shall we hold an NMRG meeting next to NOMS 2002 in Italy? See
<http://www.comsoc.org/confs/noms/2002/index.html> for more details on
NOMS 2002. Perhaps Luca can help us with some of the logistics if
we do an NMRG meeting in Italy before or after NOMS 2002?

I guess that many folks will be at NOMS anyway so it might be a good
opportunity to do some additional work. Let me know what you think and
whether you have any particular topics you want to put on the agenda.

/js

-- 
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<schoenw@inf.uos.de>       Dept. of Mathematics and Computer Science
Phone: +49 541 969 2483    Albrechtstr. 28, 49069 Osnabrueck, Germany
Fax:   +49 541 969 2770    <http://www.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de/>




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>>>>> J P Martin-Flatin writes:

JP> I lost track of the SNMP over TCP proposal when the discussions
JP> moved to the IETF SNMPv3 Working Group. What is the current
JP> status? Has it been submitted to the IETF for publication as an
JP> informational or experimental RFC? Internet-Draft
JP> <draft-irtf-nmrg-snmp-tcp-06.txt> has now expired.  Should we
JP> renew it?

I discussed this with Bert at the last IETF. The conclusion was to
spin another version (there are some edits regarding the question who
initiates a connection for notifications) and to submit the document
for publication as Experimental RFC. I hope this can be done quickly.

/js

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