[nmrg] Minutes of NMRG @ IETF 109

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From: "Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>
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Dear all,

Thanks to all presenters and participants for the NMRG session !

The minutes are available at:
https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-109-nmrg#
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/materials/minutes-109-nmrg-00

Please let us about any required changes (or directly put them in the codmid page).

Best regards,
Jérôme & Laurent

From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 18:12
To: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>; nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: RE: NMRG @ IETF 109

Hello,

Some important information for the NMRG session at IETF 109.


  1.  Correct link for the MeetEcho: https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/ietf109/?group=nmrg&short=&item=1

The agenda has been updated.



  1.  Chairs will be at Gather | IETF, close to Room 3 (the room for NMRG session) before and after the NMRG session.

https://ietf.gather.town/app/L4fNNdm1NJa1sE2v/ietf

Best regards,
Jérôme and Laurent


From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com<mailto:laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 14:31
To: nmrg@irtf.org<mailto:nmrg@irtf.org>
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org<mailto:nmrg-chairs@irtf.org>
Subject: RE: NMRG @ IETF 109

Dear all,

NMRG session at IETF 109 is scheduled on Thursday, November 19, 2020, 16:00-18:00 (UTC+7)
iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/session/28373.ics

Updated agenda available at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/materials/agenda-109-nmrg-01 and copied below.

Kind request to presenters: please upload / send your slides before Wednesday, Nov. 18th 10:00 CET.
Direct upload: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/session/28373/slides


Best regards,
Jérôme and Laurent
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NMRG 59th meeting
IETF 109, Online

Thursday, November 19, 2020, 16:00-18:00 (UTC+7), Room 3
iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/session/28373.ics


RG Chairs:
* Laurent Ciavaglia <laurent.ciavaglia@gmail.com<mailto:laurent.ciavaglia@gmail.com>>
* Jéröme François <jerome.francois@inria.fr<mailto:jerome.francois@inria.fr>>

RG Secretaries
* Jéferson Campos Nobre <jcnobre@inf.ufrgs.br<mailto:jcnobre@inf.ufrgs.br>>
* Pedro Martinez-Julia <pedromj@gmail.com<mailto:pedromj@gmail.com>>


Useful links:
    Materials: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/session/nmrg
    Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf109/nmrg/
    Notes: https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-109-nmrg
    Audio recording: https://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf109/
    Video recording: https://www.youtube.com/user/ietf/playlists


Agenda:
Part 1: Intent-based Networking (55 min.)
      *     Status on active Internet Drafts
            o     Concepts and Definitions (in RG last call), Laurent Ciavaglia, 5 min. + 5 min. Q&A
                  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions/

            o     Intent Classification, Olga Havel 5 min. + 5 min. Q&A
                  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-intent-classification/

            o     Transport Slice Intent, Luis Contreras, 5 min. + 5 min. Q&A
                  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-contreras-nmrg-transport-slice-intent/

            o     Network Measurement Intent, Danyang Chen 5 min. + 5 min. Q&A
                  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-nmrg-network-measurement-intent/

      *     Use cases discussion 15 min.
                  https://github.com/jcnobre/draft-nobre-nmrg-ibn-use-cases


Part 2: AI for Network Management (40 min.)
      *     AI for Network and Service Automation: Standardization Enablers and Research Directions, Laurent Ciavaglia, 15 min. + 5 min. Q&A

      *     Status of the document on Research Challenges in Artificial Intelligence for Network Management, Jérôme François, 10 min. + 10 min. Q&A
          https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dQOzZustI2mkYr_omtiqu3FqUvoqLgaCp7nbRj4ZJyw/edit?usp=sharing


Part 3: Scouting/other topics (25 min.)
      *     Multilevel configuration, Luis Contreras 10 min. + 5 min. Q&A
            https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bogdanovic-multilevel-configuration/

      *     Update on Concepts of Digital Twin Network, Cheng Zhou, 5 min. + 5 min. Q&A
            https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts/


From: Ciavaglia, Laurent (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay) <laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com<mailto:laurent.ciavaglia@nokia.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 16:47
To: nmrg@irtf.org<mailto:nmrg@irtf.org>
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org<mailto:nmrg-chairs@irtf.org>
Subject: NMRG @ IETF 109

Dear NMRG,



IETF 109 will be fully on-line, Meetecho will be the main conferencing tool and it has been updated since IETF 108.
Guide webpages and test several sessions are available. You can find detailed information at [1].


The tentative agenda for the NMRG session is:

Part 1: Intent-based Networking (45min.)

  *   Status on active Internet Drafts

     *   Concepts and Definitions (in RG last call), Laurent Ciavaglia
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions/


     *   Intent Classification, Olga Havel
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-intent-classification/


     *   Transport Slice Intent, Luis Contreras
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-contreras-nmrg-transport-slice-intent/


  *   Use cases discussion
https://github.com/jcnobre/draft-nobre-nmrg-ibn-use-cases


Part 2: AI for Network Management (40 min.)

  *   Status of the document on Research Challenges in Artificial Intelligence for Network Management
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dQOzZustI2mkYr_omtiqu3FqUvoqLgaCp7nbRj4ZJyw/edit?usp=sharing


  *   AI for Network and Service Automation: Standardization Enablers and Research Directions, Laurent Ciavaglia


Part 3: Scouting topic (15 min.)

  *   Multilevel configuration, Luis Contreras
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bogdanovic-multilevel-configuration/


Part 4: Miscellaneous (if time allows)

  *   Update on Metadata-based Aggregation of Telemetry Flows, Sonia Fernandez Tejeria
  *   Update on Concepts of Digital Twin Network, Cheng Zhou
  *   Other topics/presentations


If you would like to present on one of the above items or additional ones, please contact the chairs - by Friday, November 6th 2020.


Best regards,
Jérôme and Laurent

[1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/109all/WOrCytSJkFIW9X9cOkMm3fW6AWw/