Re: [Ntp] NTPv5 and anycasting

Philip Prindeville <philipp@redfish-solutions.com> Wed, 02 December 2020 17:48 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ntp] NTPv5 and anycasting
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> On Dec 2, 2020, at 1:08 AM, Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 10:41:01PM -0700, Philip Prindeville wrote:
>> Sorry if this has been discussed already, but do we want to have a specific prohibition against the use of anycasting with NTPv5?
>> 
>> I can’t see the point in sending packets non-deterministically to one of possibly many servers with different clock values, RTT’s, etc.
> 
> There is a section on anycast in the NTP BCP document. It can be
> useful. I don't see a reason why NTPv5 specifically should prohibit
> use of anycast. 
> 


What’s the scenario where non-determinism is a good thing?