Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-for-ntp-24: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
Harlan Stenn <stenn@nwtime.org> Fri, 20 March 2020 05:07 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-for-ntp-24: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On 3/19/2020 9:47 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > > stenn@nwtime.org said: >> The NTP Project has sent its plans for TCP/123 to the working group, to be >> used by "NTP TCP Services". We intend this to be used for a variety of >> NTP-related TCP services. That is a work in progress. Otherwise, the NTP >> Project remains strongly opposed to using TCP/123 for NTS-KE because of <good >> reasons we have stated before to the WG, and I want to save everybody the >> drama so I won't go in to them now>. > > Your "good reasons" would carry more weight in my view if you would provide a > reference to your ideas. Hal, I'm pretty sure you at least virtually attended the meetings where this was discussed. I've also posted various emails about it. > Google found 2 drafts from 2018. The total useful content was 2 paragraphs > with few details. Maybe I didn't search for the right thing. The first said > TCP and STARTTLS. The second said key exchange. In my opinion, both have > been superseded by NTS-KE. > > Are there other ideas I didn't find? > > I think it would be a good idea to move ntpq operations to a secure channel. > NTS-KE uses ALPN. Is there any reason not to take advantage of ALPN so we can > share port 123 with future ideas? Please look at what I have said before. -- Harlan Stenn <stenn@nwtime.org> http://networktimefoundation.org - be a member!
- [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-ntp… Mirja Kühlewind via Datatracker
- Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf… Marcus Dansarie
- Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf… Hal Murray
- Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss o… Ulrich Windl
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: Mirja Kühlewind's Discu… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: Mirja Kühlewind's Discu… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf… Ragnar Sundblad
- Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf… Watson Ladd
- Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf… Ragnar Sundblad
- Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf… Marcus Dansarie
- Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf… Marcus Dansarie
- Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf… Ragnar Sundblad
- Re: [Ntp] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf… Mirja Kuehlewind
- [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss o… Ulrich Windl