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Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-for-ntp-26.txt

Ragnar Sundblad <ragge@netnod.se> Mon, 23 March 2020 07:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-for-ntp-26.txt
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> On 23 Mar 2020, at 05:29, Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I see no usage so flag day is fine with me.
> 
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 9:24 PM Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> wrote:
> 
> ragge@netnod.se said:
> > - New TLS export disambiguating label string As we had a techincal change in
> > there already, we also changed the TLS export disambiguating label string to
> > be more aligned with what is the standard form today, to "EXPORTER-network-tim
> > e-security”.
> 
> Are we going to coordinate a flag day, or just change things as we get around 
> to it, tolerate the down time, and watch the recovery heuristics while we have 
> the opportunity?

What would be useful? Friday this week?

If you actually have users:
Note that it isn’t forbidden to support both, but preferably only for a while, I believe in the server would be easiest, the most natural, and then you could log any usage of the old one.

Best,

Ragnar

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