Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-for-ntp-27.txt
Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> Thu, 26 March 2020 20:10 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-for-ntp-27.txt
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> >>> No, clients may switch between servers when they become unreachable >>>> (e.g. due to rate limiting). I see this often with my mini-pool of NTS >>>> servers. >>> Oh really, I didnât know. So chrony does that? (Nice!) >> I think most NTP and SNTP clients do that. > Right, SNTP most likely. But NTP? Oh well. In pool mode, yes. With the current pool, there is no way to ask "Is this site still in the pool?" (There isn't a clean way to turn off traffic when you remove a site from the pool.) It makes sense when a site stops responding to go through the DNS step again and try a new server. It would also make sense for sites that are up 24/7 to do something like once a day, scan the list of pool servers currently in use and kick out the worst one and try a new one. The idea is to gradually pick servers that are better, probably nearer, but distance measured in network performance rather than kilometers. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.
- [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-for-nt… internet-drafts
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-… Ulrich Windl
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Ragnar Sundblad
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-… Ragnar Sundblad
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Ragnar Sundblad
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Ragnar Sundblad
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Ragnar Sundblad
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Hal Murray
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Hal Murray
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Ragnar Sundblad
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Ragnar Sundblad
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Ragnar Sundblad
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Hal Murray
- [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Re: I-D Action: draft… Ulrich Windl
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Ragnar Sundblad
- [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-… Ulrich Windl
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Re: I-D Action: d… Ragnar Sundblad
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-… Ragnar Sundblad
- [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Re: I-D Action: draft… Ulrich Windl
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Ragnar Sundblad
- Re: [Ntp] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo… Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-… Ulrich Windl
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-… Miroslav Lichvar