Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth: the ABC attack (the Alice and Bob Collusion attack)
Denis <denis.ietf@free.fr> Mon, 14 November 2016 15:16 UTC
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth: the ABC attack (the Alice and Bob Collusion attack)
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Nat, Cheers ! The use case of buying Vodka is a nice illustration. :-) > Torsten, > > I think what Denis is referring to is the case where two bad actors, > Alice and Bob collude and take advantage of the "bearer token". > By doing so, instead of Bob buying Vodka for Alice, Alice can order > Vodka disguised as Bob. So, the increased risk here is that Alice does > not have to bother Bob > to get additional vodka. > > Note: In this case, the token does not identify Alice nor Bob to the > relying party but just provides the authorization to perform some action. > > Mitigation 1: If the token is Token Bound, then the attack does not > work, and Alice has to ask Bob to get her Vodka every time so the risk > stays the same as pre-attack. Are you referring to draft-ietf-oauth-token-binding-01 ? The document addresses the cases of the man-in-the-middle, token export and replay attacks, but will not be an appropriate protection when Alice et Bob collaborate together. If you are referring to something else, would you be more precise ? Mitigation 2: If the AS provides only very short lived access/refresh token, then Alice has to get Bob act for her every time and so it becomes the same as Bob buying vodka for Alice every time so the risk stays the same as pre-attack. Two observations: a) In some cases, an access will be granted because it is needed to present more than one attribute. A server application normally memorizes by default the attributes that it has accepted (in some case during one year only), but if a user makes an access everyday, the user will find annoying to present everyday the attributes that are needed. b) Secondly, reducing the risk to the same as pre-attack does not mean that the risk does not exist anymore. The key point is to use a mechanism that prevents Bob to help Alice, even if Bob is willing to collaborate with Alice. Whatever Bob will be doing, he will not be able to help Alice to buy her Vodka.Every time Alice would like to buy a bottle a Vodka on-line, the single solution would be for Alice to ask Bob to buy one bottle for himself and then to send it to her. Denis > > Best, > > Nat > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:58 AM Denis <denis.ietf@free.fr > <mailto:denis.ietf@free.fr>> wrote: > > Nat and Torsten, > > My responses ares embedded in your text. > >> I agree, we should analyse the threat. From my first impression >> it feels like injection with some specialties. > > Not exactly. In most scenario attacks, we have two good guys > (Alice and Bob) and one bad guy (Carol) acting as the single > attacker.. > In this scenario, we have two bad guys (Alice and Bob willing to > collaborate) and one good guy (Carol) acting as a relying party. > >> >> @Denis: >> So far, I'm struggeling to understand how this attack is >> performed from a practical perspective. >> Every token/assertion issued to the uncle is bound to its identity. > > This key question is to which "identity" since I am considering a > scheme where privacy considerations are as important as security > considerations. > So the goal is only to reveal to the third party that the user > making the access is more than 18, without revealing anything else > than the relying party > would already know about the user making the access request. > >> So if the niece wants to "upgrade" her age, she would need to >> somehow mix identity data for two identities >> (her's and her uncle's identity) into a single token, which needs >> to be signed by the respective AS. How is this gone work? > > As yourself, I don't believe this is a solution. As I already said: > > Whatever kind of cryptographic is being used, when two users > collaborate, a software-only solution will be unable > to prevent the transfer of an attribute of a user that possess > it to another user that does not possess it . > > The use of a secure element simply protecting the > confidentiality and the integrity of some secret key or > private key > will be ineffective > > to counter the Alice and Bob collusion attack. Additional > properties will be required for the secure element > (i.e. some physical device with security properties). > >> >> kind regards, >> Torsten. >> >> Am 11.11.2016 um 16:27 schrieb Nat Sakimura: >>> Thanks Denis for pointing it out. It may be desirable to add ABC >>> attack to the list of threats. >>> Torsten et al. are updating Threat Model and Security >>> Considerations so it could potentially be included in there. >>> >>> Some remarks: >>> >>> * I suppose the assumption is that the Bob does not share his >>> credentials with Alice: Otherwise, sharing the credential >>> would achieve something worse. >>> > The assumption is correct. > >>> * In addition, it assumes that Bob does not give his device to >>> Alice: Otherwise, something similar to ABC attack can be >>> achieved by Bob >>> giving Alice his Laptop or Phone, and I guess this happens >>> more often than shipping Bob's access token to Alice. >>> > > The assumption is correct. If Bob is using a smart card that > protects some keys, he will never give the smart card nor the PIN > to Alice. > >>> * >>> >>> >>> * With these assumptions: >>> o It looks like a variation of token injection attack that >>> we have been talking about for many years. >>> > > Not exactly. > > > >>> o If we token bind the refresh and access tokens, the ABC >>> attack as described does not work. >>> > > I am not sure I understand what you mean here, since my belief is > still : > > Whatever kind of cryptographic is being used, when two users > collaborate, a software-only solution will be unable > to prevent the transfer of an attribute of a user that possess > it to another user that does not possess it . > > >>> o For something like Age verification, recognizing such >>> attacks, it probably is a bad practice to rely on >>> refresh/access token. >>> The service should do more active check, e.g., through >>> OpenID Connect. >>> > > Same comment as above. > > > Denis > > >>> Best, >>> >>> Nat >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 2:54 AM Denis <denis.ietf@free.fr >>> <mailto:denis.ietf@free.fr>> wrote: >>> >>> Section 5 of "draft-ietf-oauth-pop-architecture-08.txt" >>> identifies requirements. >>> One of them (which, BTW, should be moved into Section 4 - >>> Threats) is : >>> >>> Collusion: >>> >>> Resource servers that collude ... >>> >>> This threat addresses the case of "/collusion between >>> servers"/ while the case of "/collusion between clients"/ >>> has not been considered. When access tokens are being used, >>> /collusion between clients /is of primary importance. >>> >>> Let us consider the following "Alice and Bob Collusion >>> attack" (ABC attack). >>> >>> An uncle (Bob) is willing to collaborate with his young >>> niece (Alice) who is less than 18 during a short period of >>> time. >>> The niece is opening her own session and creates an account >>> on a server. The uncle does not hand over his own session to >>> her niece >>> at any point of time. >>> >>> Let us assume that some crypto expert has written two >>> specific pieces of software. One has been installed on the >>> laptop >>> of the uncle and another one on the laptop of the niece. The >>> two laptops are able to communicate using a network (e.g. a >>> WAN or a LAN). >>> >>> The niece creates an account on a resource server. Later on, >>> the resource server asks her (or him ?) to demonstrate that >>> she (or his ?) >>> is more than 18. She forwards the information received from >>> the resource server to her uncle using the network. The >>> uncle receives >>> that information and connects to an Authorization Server. >>> The uncle requests an access token containing information >>> demonstrating >>> that he is older than 18 and passed it back to his niece. >>> The niece then presents it to the resource server. The >>> access token is accepted. >>> >>> Since the niece has been able to demonstrate once that she >>> is more than 18, the resource server will remember this >>> attribute >>> and in the future she will not need to demonstrate it again. >>> She will keep the advantages related to this attribute >>> associated >>> with her account on that resource server until she does not >>> need it anymore, i.e. when she will really be over 18. >>> >>> Whatever kind of cryptographic is being used, when two >>> users collaborate, a software-only solution will be >>> unable to prevent the transfer of an attribute of a user >>> that possess it to another user that does not possess it . >>> >>> The use of a secure element simply protecting the >>> confidentiality and the integrity of some secret key or >>> private key will be ineffective >>> to counter the Alice and Bob collusion attack. Additional >>> properties will be required for the secure element. >>> >>> RFC 6819 (OAuth 2.0 Threat Model and Security >>> Considerations) issued in January 2013 has omitted to take >>> into consideration >>> the Alice and Bob Collusion attack. >>> >>> Section 2.3 of the ABC4Trust project about key-binding in >>> Deliverable D2.2 available at: >>> https://abc4trust.eu/download/Deliverable_D2.2.pdf states on >>> page 17 : >>> >>> To prevent “credential pooling”, i.e., multiple Users >>> sharing their credentials, credentials can optionally be >>> bound to a secret key, >>> i.e. a cryptographically strong random value that is assumed >>> to be known only to a particular user. The credential >>> specification >>> specifies whether the credentials issued according to this >>> specification are to employ key binding or not. >>> >>> A presentation token derived from such a key-bound >>> credential always contains an implicit proof of knowledge of >>> the underlying secret key, >>> so that the Verifier can be sure that the rightful owner of >>> the credential was involved in the creation of the >>> presentation token. >>> As an extra protection layer, the credentials can also be >>> bound to a trusted physical device, such as a smart card, by >>> keeping >>> the secret key in a protected area of the device. That is, >>> the key cannot be extracted from the device, but the device >>> does participate >>> in the presentation token generation to include an implicit >>> proof of knowledge of this key in the token. Thus, for >>> credentials that are key-bound >>> to a physical device it is impossible to create a >>> presentation token without the device. >>> >>> The rightful owner of the credential was indeed involved in >>> real-time in the creation of the presentation token but in >>> the collaboration scenario, >>> the key binding mechanism is not sufficient to counter that >>> specific attack. ABC4Trust, Idemix (IBM) and U-Prove >>> (Microsoft)are currently >>> not resistant to the "ABC attack". >>> >>> The IRMA card project (https://www.irmacard.org/) based on >>> the use of a smart card and of the Idemix scheme claims to >>> provide security >>> and privacy simultaneously. However, this project will not >>> be resistant either to the ABC attack. >>> >>> *draft-ietf-oauth-pop-architecture-08 should take into >>> consideration the ABC attack.* >>> >>> The threat related to the ABC attack should be identified in >>> the security considerations section >>> and the core of the document should attempt to identify one >>> or more ways to counter it. >>> >>> The scope of draft-ietf-oauth-token-exchange-06 is limited >>> to the definition of a basic request and response protocol for >>> an STS-style token exchange utilizing OAuth 2.0. Section 6 >>> (Security Considerations) has omitted to take into >>> consideration >>> the ABC attack and therefore the currently described "basic >>> request and response protocol" will allow Bob to obtain an >>> access >>> token and to pass it successfully to Alice so that she can >>> use it. >>> >>> *draft-ietf-oauth-token-exchange-06 **should take into >>> consideration the ABC attack.* >>> >>> The threat related to the ABC attack should be identified in >>> the security considerations section >>> and the core of the document should attempt to identify one >>> or more ways to counter it. >>> >>> Denis >>> >>> PS. I have recently registered to the OAuth mailing list. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OAuth mailing list >>> OAuth@ietf.org <mailto:OAuth@ietf.org> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Nat Sakimura >>> >>> Chairman of the Board, OpenID Foundation >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OAuth mailing list >>> OAuth@ietf.org <mailto:OAuth@ietf.org> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >> > > -- > > Nat Sakimura > > Chairman of the Board, OpenID Foundation >
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