Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Management Protocol: Next Steps?

Phil Hunt <phil.hunt@oracle.com> Thu, 11 September 2014 15:55 UTC

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From: Phil Hunt <phil.hunt@oracle.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:55:25 -0700
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Management Protocol: Next Steps?
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Interesting. The definitions in that don't correspond with what ADs and other groups are doing. 

I heard httpbis using experimental as a placeholder for a draft that didn't have full consensus to bring back later. 

That was the feel I had in Toronto-that we weren't done but it was time to publish something. 

Reading the actual definition i would say neither fits. Ugh. 

Phil

> On Sep 11, 2014, at 8:01, "Richer, Justin P." <jricher@mitre.org> wrote:
> 
> According to the guidelines here:
> 
> https://www.ietf.org/iesg/informational-vs-experimental.html
> 
> And the discussion in Toronto, it's clearly experimental.
> 
> -- Justin
> 
>> On Sep 11, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Anthony Nadalin <tonynad@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Is "experimental" the correct classification? Maybe "informational" is more appropriate as both of these were discussed. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: OAuth [mailto:oauth-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hannes Tschofenig
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:50 PM
>> To: oauth@ietf.org
>> Subject: [OAUTH-WG] Dynamic Client Registration Management Protocol: Next Steps?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> in response to the discussions at the last IETF meeting the authors of the "Dynamic Client Registration Management Protocol"
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-management-05 have changed the document type to "Experimental".
>> 
>> We need to make a decision about the next steps for the document and we see the following options:
>> 
>> a) Publish it as an experimental RFC
>> 
>> b) Remove it from the working group and ask an AD to shepherd it
>> 
>> c) Remove it from the working group and let the authors publish it via the independent submission track.
>> 
>> In any case it would be nice to let folks play around with it and then, after some time, come back to determine whether there is enough interest to produce a standard.
>> 
>> Please let us know what you think!
>> 
>> Ciao
>> Hannes & Derek
>> 
>> 
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