Re: [ogpx] VWRAP working group charter update

Face to Face working groups at the 3 meetings also serve to socialize the 
work
to the rest of the organization.  People casually sit in on the working 
group
sessions, and the cross fertilization of ideas is one of the biggest 
benefits 
of having the huge meetings. OAuth, the websockets community, and the 
XMPP community are likely to be of particular interest 

Most standards bodies do  a mix of work online,
face to face sessoins at major meetings, and smaller ad-hoc gatherings. 
The IETF
explicitly calls for anything discussed outside of the mailing list to be 
re-visited
on the mailing list, which certainly makes is easier to follow along. 

As yet, none of the virtual meeting spaces or tools fully capture the
simple power of people sharing a whiteboard in a physical room. The 
fluidity of interaction (especially in terms of casual diagram scribbling)
is a seriously challenging use case. 

I expect that we'll look to eat our own dogfood, and try and do informal
meetings inside a number of the virtual worlds. (Linden,  OSGrid. This
won't replace either the face to face meetings, or the mailing list, but 
should provide another way to advance the work. 

- David / Zha

ogpx-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 09/24/2009 07:12:03 PM:

> Barry Leiba <barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com> 
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> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com> wrote:
> > But, apart from that I cannot afford to (and also not for other 
reasons)
> > participate in real life meetings (outside my city and/or starting 
before
> > 1 pm); I don't understand why this can't be done online... only 
knowledge
> > and data needs to be exchanged. Why is a real life meeting necessary?
> 
> To be clear:
> IETF process specifies that official work is done on the mailing list,
> and so anything that's "decided" at a face-to-face meeting, on a
> conference call, or over any other means (IM or VW, for example) must
> be re-confirmed on the mailing list.
> 
> It is NOT necessary for anyone to travel to the meetings in order to
> participate.
> 
> That said, the IETF holds three face-to-face meetings each year (and
> some working groups hold interim working-group meetings; I doubt this
> group will do that).  These meetings allow for a great deal of
> high-bandwidth interaction and discussion, and usually enable us to
> get a lot of work done that would be more difficult or more protracted
> without the opportunity to get people into a room together.  We find
> that people get a lot out of attending in person.
> 
> Assuming it's chartered, the VRAP working group WILL be meeting at the
> face-to-face IETF meetings -- at least at most of them.  The question
> is whether we should try to meet in Hiroshima, given how soon it is.
> But I'll repeat: whether or not we meet in Hiroshima, and whether or
> not you (meaning any participant) attend ANY of the face-to-face
> meetings, have no effect on your participation in the working group.
> You become a full participant merely by participating here, on the
> mailing list.
> 
> Barry (long-time IETF participant, working-group chair, and former IAB 
member)
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