Re: [ogpx] VWRAP working group charter update
Charles Krinke <cfk@pacbell.net> Fri, 25 September 2009 02:07 UTC
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:08:54 -0700
From: Charles Krinke <cfk@pacbell.net>
To: Infinity Linden <infinity@lindenlab.com>, Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com>
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Subject: Re: [ogpx] VWRAP working group charter update
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Dear Infinity and others: You strum my heart strings when you mention the possibility of a meeting once in a while on OSGrid. We have several regions we call "plazas", of which the key one is "Wright Plaza". On "Wright Plaza" is a conference room that can be used by anyone at any time. It includes screens that will load http pages and white boards controlled from the chat channel. It would be a wonderful thing to consider meetings there once in a while and in particular if one or more avatars showed up as OGP interop from the betagrid or maingrid, that would add some interest and fun into this while interop thing. Charles ________________________________ From: Infinity Linden <infinity@lindenlab.com> To: Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com> Cc: ogpx-bounces@ietf.org; ogpx <ogpx@ietf.org> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:09:35 PM Subject: Re: [ogpx] VWRAP working group charter update hmm... carlo... for a second i was thinking you were saying "let's never do another f2f meeting again. let's do everything virtually!" but that's not what you're saying, right? i can totally get behind the statement, "we should also have meetings in the virtual world." further, i think they should rotate between different grid operators: linden, OSGrid, etc. i mean, this _is_ an interoperability spec. i believe the IETF has the requirement that only people who have asserted they have read and understood the IPR policy / Note Well notice are supposed to be at "official" IETF meetings. in SL, we would create a group, then make group membership dependent on confirming you've read the notewell and then limit parcel access to members only. i haven't ever tried to do that with opensim, but i'm guessing the capability is there. -cheers -meadhbh On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 07:38:40PM -0400, David W Levine wrote: >> As yet, none of the virtual meeting spaces or tools fully capture the >> simple power of people sharing a whiteboard in a physical room. The >> fluidity of interaction (especially in terms of casual diagram scribbling) >> is a seriously challenging use case. > > Agreed, but also that can be done online. In fact, I already do (did) > that online with friends sometimes that I meet in-world on SL in parallel > of "meeting" on a website with a whiteboard (were everyone can draw arbitrary > multi-color things in some white rectangle). > > On other occassions I've had discussions involving complex mathematical > formula's, where yet another website was used that allows people to > "draw" formulas (paste LaTeX)... > > One would think that at this day and age the technology does exist, > and since it's certainly a LOT cheaper it amazes me that there aren't > complete packages to allow online meetings with all the benefits of > a real life meeting. I can't imagine that such a package would cost > more than a trip to Hirosima, and it would be a one-time purchase. > > -- > Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com> > _______________________________________________ > ogpx mailing list > ogpx@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogpx > _______________________________________________ ogpx mailing list ogpx@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogpx
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