Re: processing of "speculative" key ids: MAY -> SHOULD¦MUST
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thanks for the response. sorry for the delayed response. my comments follow. > i think the burden of proof of uniqueness of usefulness is not > on me ;-) wolfgang> If you want to have added something into a standard, you should wolfgang> be aware that this addition causes at least additional work for wolfgang> implementors (and may have other "side effects" as well). wolfgang> Therefore, I consider it only fair that the "suggestor" has to wolfgang> point out all the wonderful advantages that his/her suggestion wolfgang> brings with it. i agree w/ that mostly, i think it is very reasonable. i hope that you would accept "some of the wonderful advantages" as i don't presume to be able to foresee all of the consequences of ideas ;-) i would hope that after some initial discussion, the working group could enumerate a more comprehensive list of advantages and disadvantages. wolfgang> So, in some way, the burden of proof of usefulness _is_ on you. i agree that usefulness should be shown -- i will try, but after reaching a certain point, i hope the burden is not all mine! [ but i didn't make any claim about burden of usefulness -- what i was referring to was burden of proof of uniqueness of a particular use: wolfgang> Speculative key ids are only helpful when used together with ^^^^ wolfgang> nym-servers (as otherwise the mail headers would permit the wolfgang> traffic analysis that the sender wants to avoid). sorry if that seemed picky, but uniqueness is one of those things to be picky about, i think ] i would like to reiterate one of my earlier points: > also, openpgp doesn't have to be used only for mail. to enumerate a couple of non-mail-related ideas: -a pam module which uses pgp key pairs in a challenge-and-response authentication scheme. iirc, ssh2 has something similar (that explicitly mentions openpgp) in section 4.6 of draft-ietf-secsh-transport-06.txt -pgp tickets: draft-moscaritolo-mione-pgpticket -encrypted irc sessions -- an automated participant (bot) w/ a key pair and public keys of potential participants hands out public-key-encrypted session keys to those who can authenticate (using openpgp challenge-and-response). participants send out messages encrypted using the session key. to read a message, each participant decrypts using the session key. session keys are regenerated periodically and retrieved by clients who can authenticate. i suspect one of the main potential uses of speculative key ids is supporting anonymity and prevention of traffic analysis. if that is indeed the case, combined w/ the fact that openpgp can be used in a number of different domains (mail and non-mail) i hope that people would be supportive (or perhaps considerate?) of speculative key ids. perhaps you were already aware of these ideas and i was reading too much into your words...my apologies if so. wolfgang> But it may well be that all the other members of this mailing wolfgang> list were already aware of the advantage of speculative key ids wolfgang> that you mentioned, and I am the only one who had not seen this. wolfgang> If this is the case, then shame on me! :-( if i may be so bold, i would not be surprised if a few people hadn't thought it through yet, but the fact that speculative key ids exist in the rfc suggests that the idea seemed useful enough to some -- sorry i don't know the history of speculative ids, perhaps someone can enlighten me? but back to the original point, i agree that MUST is a bad idea for speculative ids. i propose that at least there be some mentioning of potential interoperability issues regarding the use of speculative key ids for certain types of situations (to be elaborated on?). i also think it would be worth recommending that processing support be available -- but that it does not have to be used. is this a reasonable suggestion? Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00367 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 08:16:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nsm.htp.org (nsm.htp.org [202.241.243.104]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA00363 for <ietf-openpgp@imc.org>; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 08:16:56 -0800 (PST) From: sen_ml@eccosys.com Received: (qmail 2356 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2000 16:17:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Jan 2000 16:17:02 -0000 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: processing of "speculative" key ids: MAY -> SHOULD¦MUST In-Reply-To: <200001211231.HAA00197@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> References: <200001211231.HAA00197@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.5 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) X-No-Archive: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000123011857U.1000@eccosys.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 01:18:57 +0900 X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 89 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openpgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openpgp.imc.org> thanks for the response. sorry for the delayed response. my comments follow. > i think the burden of proof of uniqueness of usefulness is not > on me ;-) wolfgang> If you want to have added something into a standard, you should wolfgang> be aware that this addition causes at least additional work for wolfgang> implementors (and may have other "side effects" as well). wolfgang> Therefore, I consider it only fair that the "suggestor" has to wolfgang> point out all the wonderful advantages that his/her suggestion wolfgang> brings with it. i agree w/ that mostly, i think it is very reasonable. i hope that you would accept "some of the wonderful advantages" as i don't presume to be able to foresee all of the consequences of ideas ;-) i would hope that after some initial discussion, the working group could enumerate a more comprehensive list of advantages and disadvantages. wolfgang> So, in some way, the burden of proof of usefulness _is_ on you. i agree that usefulness should be shown -- i will try, but after reaching a certain point, i hope the burden is not all mine! [ but i didn't make any claim about burden of usefulness -- what i was referring to was burden of proof of uniqueness of a particular use: wolfgang> Speculative key ids are only helpful when used together with ^^^^ wolfgang> nym-servers (as otherwise the mail headers would permit the wolfgang> traffic analysis that the sender wants to avoid). sorry if that seemed picky, but uniqueness is one of those things to be picky about, i think ] i would like to reiterate one of my earlier points: > also, openpgp doesn't have to be used only for mail. to enumerate a couple of non-mail-related ideas: -a pam module which uses pgp key pairs in a challenge-and-response authentication scheme. iirc, ssh2 has something similar (that explicitly mentions openpgp) in section 4.6 of draft-ietf-secsh-transport-06.txt -pgp tickets: draft-moscaritolo-mione-pgpticket -encrypted irc sessions -- an automated participant (bot) w/ a key pair and public keys of potential participants hands out public-key-encrypted session keys to those who can authenticate (using openpgp challenge-and-response). participants send out messages encrypted using the session key. to read a message, each participant decrypts using the session key. session keys are regenerated periodically and retrieved by clients who can authenticate. i suspect one of the main potential uses of speculative key ids is supporting anonymity and prevention of traffic analysis. if that is indeed the case, combined w/ the fact that openpgp can be used in a number of different domains (mail and non-mail) i hope that people would be supportive (or perhaps considerate?) of speculative key ids. perhaps you were already aware of these ideas and i was reading too much into your words...my apologies if so. wolfgang> But it may well be that all the other members of this mailing wolfgang> list were already aware of the advantage of speculative key ids wolfgang> that you mentioned, and I am the only one who had not seen this. wolfgang> If this is the case, then shame on me! :-( if i may be so bold, i would not be surprised if a few people hadn't thought it through yet, but the fact that speculative key ids exist in the rfc suggests that the idea seemed useful enough to some -- sorry i don't know the history of speculative ids, perhaps someone can enlighten me? but back to the original point, i agree that MUST is a bad idea for speculative ids. i propose that at least there be some mentioning of potential interoperability issues regarding the use of speculative key ids for certain types of situations (to be elaborated on?). i also think it would be worth recommending that processing support be available -- but that it does not have to be used. is this a reasonable suggestion? Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28161 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 05:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from songbird.com (IDENT:kent@songbird.com [206.14.4.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28157 for <ietf-openpgp@imc.org>; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 05:42:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kent@localhost) by songbird.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id FAA02002 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 05:44:17 -0800 Message-ID: <20000122054417.A1919@songbird.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 05:44:17 -0800 From: Kent Crispin <kent@songbird.com> To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?processing_of_=22speculative=22_key_ids:_MAY_-=3E_SHOULD?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A6MUST?= Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <200001201517.KAA06747@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> <20000121011605L.1000@eccosys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <20000121011605L.1000@eccosys.com>; from sen_ml@eccosys.com on Fri, Jan 21, 2000 at 01:16:05AM +0900 X-Disclaimer: Things are not as they seem X-PGP-Key: http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openpgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openpgp.imc.org> On Fri, Jan 21, 2000 at 01:16:05AM +0900, sen_ml@eccosys.com wrote: [...] > speculative key ids can be useful in the context of a mailing list > that has its own keypair plus the public keys of all recipients. it > can prevent people from finding out who all of the subscribers are via > the interception of a single message -- yes, it would be possible to > generate a message per person, but as you have mentioned, performance > will suffer. Do you have some quantification of the performance hit? I'm not sure it is such a big deal to send an individual message to each list member -- note that some popular list managment packages will put the address you are subscribed from at the bottom of a message, which means, I believe, that they are sending a different message to each list member. -- Kent Crispin "Do good, and you'll be kent@songbird.com lonesome." -- Mark Twain Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06873 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:54:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nsm.htp.org (nsm.htp.org [202.241.243.104]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA06868 for <ietf-openpgp@imc.org>; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:54:41 -0800 (PST) From: sen_ml@eccosys.com Received: (qmail 13583 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2000 16:54:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Jan 2000 16:54:44 -0000 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Cc: dpkemp@missi.ncsc.mil, wolfgang@redtenbacher.de Subject: Re: processing of "speculative" key ids: MAY -> SHOULD|MUST In-Reply-To: <200001211408.JAA05981@ara.missi.ncsc.mil> References: <200001211408.JAA05981@ara.missi.ncsc.mil> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.5 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) X-No-Archive: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000122015638B.1000@eccosys.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 01:56:38 +0900 X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 107 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openpgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openpgp.imc.org> w/ permission from "David P. Kemp" <dpkemp@missi.ncsc.mil>: > sen_ml@eccosys.com wrote on Fri, 21 Jan 2000 01:16:05 +0900: > >speculative key ids can be useful in the context of a mailing list >that has its own keypair plus the public keys of all recipients. it >can prevent people from finding out who all of the subscribers are via >the interception of a single message ... wolfgang> Clever idea! I had not thought about this type of usage. wolfgang> wolfgang> I admit that in this context, speculative key ids would gain us wolfgang> something that could not easily be done otherwise. dpkemp> I'm missing something. Doesn't a message from a mail list dpkemp> server to a single recipient contain no information which would dpkemp> indicate the existence of other recipient(s)? you may already know the following, but for reference, the way that encrypting a message (using rfc 2440 methods) to several recipients works is roughly: 1) a session key is generated to encrypt the message, 2) the message is symmetrically encrypted using the session key, 3) the session key is encrypted using the public keys of the recipients and the results of these encryptions are all bundled into the final message by default the keyids of recipients are included in the final package because they are contained in the public-key-encrypted session keys (see section 5.1 of the rfc). this is positive from a performance perspective because it means that the receiving end does not have to try to decrypt any extra encrypted session keys -- it only has to try decrypting encrypted session keys for key ids that it has secret keys for. if there are a lot of recipients this can make a significant difference, as has been pointed out by wolfgang@redtenbacher.de. it is negative from the perspective of trying to prevent traffic analysis because the key ids of all recipients are available to anyone who intercepts the message. (a classic see-saw case perhaps?) consider the following (rough) design [2] of a mailing list w/ a key pair: -the public key of each subscriber is available to the list software (i'm not fond of suggesting that the public keys can be obtained via keyservers but it is a possibility that i heard very recently) -messages to the list can be encrypted using the public key of the list -- messages can also be signed by subscribers and verified by the list if desired using the public keys of the subscribers -incoming messages are decrypted [1] using the private key of the list, then the resulting plain text is encrypted using the method described above using the public keys of the subscribers. the simplest method to implement involves just sending the single resulting message body to all recipients -- however, if speculative key ids are not used, the message will contain a key id for each recipient. so this situation is actually worse than a no-encryption vanilla mailing list from an anti-traffic-analysis perspective. for a vanilla mailing list, you typically would not learn this from interception of the message body alone. it is possible to split up the single rfc 2440 message into parts, and reassemble as many messages as there are subscribers in such a way so that the message sent to each subscriber only contains the session-key-encrypted message and the public-key-encrypted session key for the subscriber only (thus leaving out all other public-key-encrypted session keys) -- conceptually this is a very straight-forward operation. each subscriber can then be sent a separate message. note, it is still nice to have speculative key ids at this point so that interception of the message body does not give away the key id of the recipient -- header information can be removed by other mechanisms such as anonymous remailers. the message splitting and reassembly would be greatly simplified if there were good, open libraries for manipulating rfc 2440 packets (are there any?) or if pgp or gnupg contained the functionality already. it doesn't seem like the splitting and reassembling should require much in terms of processing power as this doesn't involve anything as complicated as encryption/decryption -- it's basically parsing and gluing. however, making existing arbitrary mailing list software send out a different message to each subscriber is not necessarily easy. p.s. wolfgang@redtenbacher.de, thank you for your reply, i will reply in full later. need to catch up on sleep first! [1] note that w/ a moderator that can decrypt the list's secret key, it is possible to arrange things so that the secret key does not live on the server (though this means that if the moderator is not active, the list sends out no traffic). [2] note that this design has appeared in a number of different places, including this list, in the past. Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04305 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 05:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.132]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA04301 for <ietf-openpgp@imc.org>; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 05:40:36 -0800 (PST) From: wolfgang@redtenbacher.de Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.3) id IAA29005 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from 212.211.74.18 (fra-pci-lak-vty18.as.wcom.net [212.211.74.18]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.3) with SMTP id IAA28980 for <ietf-openpgp@imc.org>; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:41:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:41:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001211341.IAA28980@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: processing of "speculative" key ids: MAY -> SHOULD ¦MUST To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openpgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openpgp.imc.org> Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> wrote on Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:59:10 +0100: >How do you get the passphrases in the secure memory? I see no way to >do this without manual operator action - and this prevents automatic >restart of machines after power failure etc. On first start-up, the passphrases have to be entered by the operator manually. Then they are stored in memory and additionally in symmetrically encrypted form on the disk. The passphrase for symmetric encryption is derived from machine and configuration specific data (in a way I do not intend to publish) to ensure that simply stealing the encrypted password file is of no help to a thief. If a power failure has occured, the restarting mail-server reads the saved table from disk into secure memory and decrypts it. If decryption fails (e.g. due to a changed machine), the passphrases for all keys are asked again. The details are on my website "www.redtenbacher.de/signatur/" in the section "Die Sicht des Programmierers" (The programmer's view), sub-section "Passwortverwaltung, -speicherung und Diebstahlschutz" (Password administration, storage and protection against theft). This approach has, of course, some drawbacks: (a) The protection of the password file depends essentially on a secret algorithm - something that will be disliked by any PKI purist. (b) I (as the author of the secret algorithm) would be able to steal the passphrases if I ever got physical access to the mail-server for long enough to determine all those machine and configuration characteristics that are used in deriving the symmetric password. Therefore my solution certainly would not be acceptable to the research division of a major company or any secret service :-) It is, however, a very workable approach to ensure safe Internet transport of non-classified communication between city administrations and citizens as it guarantees for e-mail at least the same level of security that currently exists for paper mail. (The city administrations assume that on the Internet, a high level of protection is needed whereas inside the house, a moderate level of protection is okay - see "www.redtenbacher.de/signatur/intro.htm") - Wolfgang Redtenbacher --------------------------------------------------------------------- Redtenbacher Software Tel.: +49 7159 17046 Roemerstr. 11/1 Fax: +49 7159 17047 D-71272 Renningen e-mail: wolfgang@redtenbacher.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03072 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 04:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com [149.174.217.152]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03068 for <ietf-openpgp@imc.org>; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 04:31:02 -0800 (PST) From: wolfgang@redtenbacher.de Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.3) id HAA00258 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 07:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from 212.211.90.3 (fra-tgn-oyk-vty3.as.wcom.net [212.211.90.3]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.3) with SMTP id HAA00197; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 07:31:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 07:31:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001211231.HAA00197@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: processing of "speculative" key ids: MAY -> SHOULD¦MUST To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Cc: sen_ml@eccosys.com Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openpgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openpgp.imc.org> sen_ml@eccosys.com wrote on Fri, 21 Jan 2000 01:16:05 +0900: >let's not get into a discussion of nym servers here though. (i hope >you didn't mean "anonymous remailer" when you mentioned "nym-server", >because to me those two are not the same.) Sorry for my sloppy usage of nomenclature: What I meant was remailing via mixmaster chaining (see e.g. "http://www.obscura.com/~loki/remailer/mixmaster-faq.html"). >speculative key ids can be useful in the context of a mailing list >that has its own keypair plus the public keys of all recipients. it >can prevent people from finding out who all of the subscribers are via >the interception of a single message ... Clever idea! I had not thought about this type of usage. I admit that in this context, speculative key ids would gain us something that could not easily be done otherwise. >i think the burden of proof of uniqueness of usefulness is not >on me ;-) If you want to have added something into a standard, you should be aware that this addition causes at least additional work for implementors (and may have other "side effects" as well). Therefore, I consider it only fair that the "suggestor" has to point out all the wonderful advantages that his/her suggestion brings with it. So, in some way, the burden of proof of usefulness _is_ on you. But it may well be that all the other members of this mailing list were already aware of the advantage of speculative key ids that you mentioned, and I am the only one who had not seen this. If this is the case, then shame on me! :-( - Wolfgang Redtenbacher --------------------------------------------------------------------- Redtenbacher Software Tel.: +49 7159 17046 Roemerstr. 11/1 Fax: +49 7159 17047 D-71272 Renningen e-mail: wolfgang@redtenbacher.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25181 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 01:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from pharos.hsp.de (pharos.hsp.de [194.77.127.3]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25176 for <ietf-openpgp@imc.org>; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 01:54:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by pharos.hsp.de with UUCP id KAA11049 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:52:25 +0100 Received: from (frodo.gnupg.de) [194.231.77.148] (mail) by beren.gnupg.de with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1 (Debian)) id 12BafC-0007Cz-00; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:47:30 +0100 Received: from wk by frodo.gnupg.de with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 12BaqU-0001iX-00; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:59:10 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:59:10 +0100 From: Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?processing_of_=22speculative=22_key_ids:_MAY_-=3E_SHOULD?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A6MUST?= Message-ID: <20000121105910.B28147@frodo.gnupg.de> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <200001201517.KAA06747@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.1i In-Reply-To: <200001201517.KAA06747@hpamraaa.compuserve.com>; from wolfgang@redtenbacher.de on Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 10:17:01AM -0500 X-URL: http://www.openit.de/wks Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openpgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openpgp.imc.org> On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, wolfgang@redtenbacher.de wrote: > I vote for staying with the current wording. The suggested change me too. > To be able to do automatic decryption of incoming mails, the > mail-server "knows" all secret key ids and their PGP passwords > (stored in secure memory, of course). It scans the incoming mail How do you get the passphrases in the secure memory? I see no way to do this without manual operator action - and this prevents automatic restart of machines after power failure etc. -- Werner Koch at guug.de www.gnupg.org keyid 621CC013 Boycott Amazon! - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23104 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nsm.htp.org (nsm.htp.org [202.241.243.104]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA23100 for <ietf-openpgp@imc.org>; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:14:18 -0800 (PST) From: sen_ml@eccosys.com Received: (qmail 19953 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2000 16:14:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Jan 2000 16:14:19 -0000 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: processing of "speculative" key ids: MAY -> SHOULD¦MUST In-Reply-To: <200001201517.KAA06747@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> References: <200001201517.KAA06747@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.5 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) X-No-Archive: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000121011605L.1000@eccosys.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 01:16:05 +0900 X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 70 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openpgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openpgp.imc.org> wolfgang> I vote for staying with the current wording. The suggested change wolfgang> might be only a small overhead for a program like PGP or GnuPG, wolfgang> but the change (especially with a "MUST") creates a major wolfgang> performance penalty for "wrapper" programs in mail-servers. hmm, for the case of "MUST", i agree w/ you. you are right. i see that "MUST" may cause performance problems for this type of case. wolfgang> If zero key ids become obligatory, it has to test all keys on the wolfgang> secret key ring (potentially containing a _lot_ of keys for a wolfgang> major city administration). While this testing might be an wolfgang> acceptable overhead for PGP/GnuPG, it is a much bigger overhead wolfgang> for the "wrapper application" which can only test 1 key per wolfgang> PGP/GnuPG call. then perhaps "SHOULD" is in order, and not "MUST". in the current state, speculative keyids are not very useful/practical for endusers because of the lack of support in pgp (unless all parties are using gnupg). another way to deal w/ this would be for gnupg (and other implementations) to be able to make certain key ids speculative (i.e. key ids for gnupg users) and to leave others alone (i.e. key ids for pgp users). at least interoperability would be obtained this way -- but it doesn't change the sad state that pgp users are easier to "spy on" so-to-speak. but it seems silly for gnupg to implement selective keeping or throwing of key ids for a (imo) deficiency in pgp (i have yet to verify this on all versions so if someone knows otherwise, please let me know). is it possible to recommend (or require) the inclusion of support for processing of speculative key ids in the case of implementations for enduser software such as pgp and gnupg (what would be an appropriate term to distinguish this class of software from the type you have implemented?)? i think there should at least be some mention in the rfc of potential interoperability problems in enduser-to-enduser situations if speculative keyids are not supported on both ends. wolfgang> Speculative key ids are only helpful when used together with wolfgang> nym-servers (as otherwise the mail headers would permit the wolfgang> traffic analysis that the sender wants to avoid). Using wolfgang> nym-servers in a proper way, however, can avoid traffic analysis wolfgang> even with "normal key ids". So the "speculative key id" feature wolfgang> does not really gain anything new. i don't agree that they are only useful in this case. further there are problems w/ nym servers as is -- nym servers as they currently exist are not adequate for certain purposes. let's not get into a discussion of nym servers here though. (i hope you didn't mean "anonymous remailer" when you mentioned "nym-server", because to me those two are not the same.) speculative key ids can be useful in the context of a mailing list that has its own keypair plus the public keys of all recipients. it can prevent people from finding out who all of the subscribers are via the interception of a single message -- yes, it would be possible to generate a message per person, but as you have mentioned, performance will suffer. this kind of setup combined w/ anonymous remailers (preferably something like type-ii or better) would be quite useful. also, openpgp doesn't have to be used only for mail. i think the burden of proof of uniqueness of usefulness is not on me ;-) thanks for your comments! Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22049 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:16:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from hpamraaa.compuserve.com (ah-img-rel-1.compuserve.com [149.174.217.152]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22044 for <ietf-openpgp@imc.org>; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: wolfgang@redtenbacher.de Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.3) id KAA06776 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from 212.211.70.131 (fra-pci-lai-vty131.as.wcom.net [212.211.70.131]) by hpamraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.3) with SMTP id KAA06747; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:17:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:17:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001201517.KAA06747@hpamraaa.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: processing of "speculative" key ids: MAY -> SHOULD¦MUST To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Cc: sen_ml@eccosys.com Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openpgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openpgp.imc.org> sen_ml@eccosys.com wrote on Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:56:26 +0900: > An implementation MAY accept or use a Key ID of zero as a "wild card" > or "speculative" Key ID. In this case, the receiving implementation > would try all available private keys, checking for a valid decrypted > session key. This format helps reduce traffic analysis of messages. > >i think the use of MAY here seriously undermines the usefulness of the >"speculative" key id. i think it would be better if implementations >SHOULD (or even better MUST) process "speculative" key ids. I vote for staying with the current wording. The suggested change might be only a small overhead for a program like PGP or GnuPG, but the change (especially with a "MUST") creates a major performance penalty for "wrapper" programs in mail-servers. One of my programs is a mail-server with automatic encryption/decryption. To avoid having to "re-invent the wheel", I use PGP resp. GnuPG (depending on the customer's wishes) for the actual en-/decryption. To be able to do automatic decryption of incoming mails, the mail-server "knows" all secret key ids and their PGP passwords (stored in secure memory, of course). It scans the incoming mail for the recipient ids and then calls PGP/GnuPG with the appropriate password for the actual decryption. If zero key ids become obligatory, it has to test all keys on the secret key ring (potentially containing a _lot_ of keys for a major city administration). While this testing might be an acceptable overhead for PGP/GnuPG, it is a much bigger overhead for the "wrapper application" which can only test 1 key per PGP/GnuPG call. Speculative key ids are only helpful when used together with nym-servers (as otherwise the mail headers would permit the traffic analysis that the sender wants to avoid). Using nym-servers in a proper way, however, can avoid traffic analysis even with "normal key ids". So the "speculative key id" feature does not really gain anything new. Therefore, let us not create performance penalties to gain "just another way of doing something we could have done already all along". - Wolfgang Redtenbacher --------------------------------------------------------------------- Redtenbacher Software Tel.: +49 7159 17046 Roemerstr. 11/1 Fax: +49 7159 17047 D-71272 Renningen e-mail: wolfgang@redtenbacher.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10910 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from public.uni-hamburg.de (public.rrz.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.32.55]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10906 for <ietf-openpgp@imc.org>; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:25:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mail@max1-182.public.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.43.182]) by public.uni-hamburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA66976; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:26:53 +0100 Received: from um by localhost with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 12B0HT-0000SY-00; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:56:35 +0100 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:56:35 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ulf_M=F6ller?= <ulf@fitug.de> To: Jon Callas <jon@callas.org> Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-rfc2440bis-00.txt Message-ID: <20000119195635.A1689@rho> References: <v0421010db4aa9746a791@[63.196.29.137]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <v0421010db4aa9746a791@[63.196.29.137]>; from Jon Callas on Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 02:18:52PM -0800 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openpgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openpgp.imc.org> On Tue, Jan 18, 2000 at 02:18:52PM -0800, Jon Callas wrote: > >You need to observe the changes in terminology if you refer to the new > >PKCS #1. > > Could you do me the favor of telling me what the changes in terminology > are? If I have to guess at what you'd like, I will probably disappoint you. PKCS #1 v2.0 speaks of "encoding methods" rather than "padding", and "block type 02" is now called EME-PKCS1-v1_5. EMSA-PKCS1-v1_5 means making the DigestInfo and encoding it according to what was previously called "block type 01". > >The notes about backward compatibility don't mention that PGP 2 > >requires certain formats for some packet types. > I've just spent a half-hour on this. I know that PGP 2 compatibility > requires old length types, V3 data structures (keys and sigs), and only > RSA, MD5, and IDEA. Is this what you want me to say in a hint? Is there > something more subtle that I'm forgetting, but once you mention it I'll > say, "Duh, of course"? For example key and signature packets must use length type 1, it doesn't accept length type 0. I descibed that on this list quite some time ago. > >The security notes should mention that only v3 RSA signatures are bound to > >the hash algorithm, so that v4/DSA signatures can be forged if any one of > >the hash algorithms is broken, even if the signer doesn't use that algorithm. > > I think I'm confused here. Suppose I have an implementation that does DSA > with SHA-1. Let us also suppose that Tiger gets broken. How does this > affect my DSA/SHA signature? Then if I want to forge a signature, I find a message for which the Tiger hash value is identical to your original SHA-1 hash. Unless your original signature was a v3 RSA signature, nothing in OpenPGP prevents me from setting the hash algorithm identifier for that message to Tiger. That's why the RSA value in PKCS #1 contains a DigestInfo, and why the DSS specifies SHA-1 as the only signature algorithm. Putting the hash algorithm identifier in the data protected by that very hash algorithm is pointless. That clearly is a cryptographic weakness in the protocol, so it has to be mentioned in the RFC. (By the way, OpenPGP allows MD2 as a hash algorithm without a warning about its security, so this attack may well be practical. But even if the verifying implementation only accepts algorithms that are not known to be insecure, allowing the attacker to chose a hash algorithm makes the protocol weaker not stronger.) Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10711 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mage.qualcomm.com (mage.qualcomm.com [129.46.65.64]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10706; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.46.223.39] ([129.46.223.39]) by mage.qualcomm.com (8.8.5/1.4/8.7.2/1.15) with ESMTP id LAA05485; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:07:38 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jwn2@mage.qualcomm.com Message-Id: <a04301100b4abb4af7b49@[129.46.243.101]> In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000118111432.00a62e80@mail.imc.org> References: <4.2.1.20000118111432.00a62e80@mail.imc.org> X-Mailer: Eudora [Macintosh version 4.3b17-02.00] X-PGP-RSA-Fingerprint: EA53 01A6 C076 F9C2 09E8 9480 645A 8857 X-PGP-DH-Fingerprint: 4F5E 56C9 BD4D 0227 331F 6AEE 9590 24F9 6FD7 04F8 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:36:56 -0800 To: Paul Hoffman / IMC <phoffman@imc.org> From: "John W. Noerenberg" <jwn2@qualcomm.com> Subject: Re: The OpenPGP mailing list has moved Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openpgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openpgp.imc.org> At 11:14 AM -0800 1/18/00, Paul Hoffman / IMC wrote: >I didn't hear back from the WG chair, but I decided to fix the problem anyway. > >The new mailing address is: > ietf-openpgp@imc.org >(note the lack of the second dash). Sending to the old address will >get you (or, more likely, the spammers) a simple message with the >new address. I hope the spammers don't read bounce messages. > >I'll inform the IETF Secretariat of the change. > >The WG web page is at <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/>. Thanks, Paul. > >--Paul Hoffman, Director >--Internet Mail Consortium -- john noerenberg jwn2@qualcomm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- But now I know our world is no more permanent than a wave rising on the ocean. -- Arthur Golden, "Memoirs of a Geisha", 1997 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07633 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 07:54:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nsm.htp.org (nsm.htp.org [202.241.243.104]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA07628 for <ietf-openpgp@imc.org>; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 07:54:47 -0800 (PST) From: sen_ml@eccosys.com Received: (qmail 26215 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2000 15:54:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Jan 2000 15:54:38 -0000 Subject: processing of "speculative" key ids: MAY -> SHOULD|MUST To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.5 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) X-No-Archive: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000120005626I.1000@eccosys.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:56:26 +0900 X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 26 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openpgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openpgp.imc.org> in section 5.1 i see: An implementation MAY accept or use a Key ID of zero as a "wild card" or "speculative" Key ID. In this case, the receiving implementation would try all available private keys, checking for a valid decrypted session key. This format helps reduce traffic analysis of messages. i think the use of MAY here seriously undermines the usefulness of the "speculative" key id. i think it would be better if implementations SHOULD (or even better MUST) process "speculative" key ids. gnupg supports generation and processing, but since pgp doesn't seem to handle processing (please correct me if i'm wrong on this point), speculative key ids are not very useful when conversing w/ folks using pgp. to any active developers of pgp: please add at least processing of speculative ids to pgp! it shouldn't be hard at all. it could even be made a user option. generation shouldn't be hard either -- it's just a matter of zeroing some bytes. p.s. if there are any other implementations of rfc 2440 out there in use, same comment goes for them too if they don't support the processing of speculative key ids. Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26833 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from merrymeet.com (Merrymeet@[63.73.97.162]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26829 for <ietf-openpgp@imc.org>; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:17:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [63.196.29.137] (63.196.29.137) by merrymeet.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2); Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:19:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jon@merrymeet.com Message-Id: <v0421010db4aa9746a791@[63.196.29.137]> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:18:52 -0800 To: Ulf =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=F6ller?= <ulf@fitug.de>, ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Jon Callas <jon@callas.org> Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-rfc2440bis-00.txt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns.secondary.com id OAA26830 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openpgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openpgp.imc.org> At 8:40 PM +0100 12/23/99, Ulf Möller wrote: > PKCS-1 block type 02 [RFC2437] (Was: [RFC2313]) to form the "m" > value used in the formulas above. > >You need to observe the changes in terminology if you refer to the new >PKCS #1. Could you do me the favor of telling me what the changes in terminology are? If I have to guess at what you'd like, I will probably disappoint you. > >The signature packet format is still specified as including "zero or >more subpackets", but the subpacket hints section mentions in passing >that two packets are mandatory. Done. > >The notes about backward compatibility don't mention that PGP 2 >requires certain formats for some packet types. > The RFC isn't a how-to guide for writing PGP 2 compatible applications. We don't even *require* it, although we encourage it, even to the point of allowing an exception for the sake of interoperability. There are a number of hints and guidelines scattered all through the document about what PGP 2 can and can't accept. I know it's not comprehensive, and never will be; that is not a goal of OpenPGP and never has been. However, if there's something glaring that we've overlooked, or something that tripped you up, I'm more than willing to put it in. One of the reasons I keep saying "tell me what you want" is that I'm really close to the issue. I've poured over the document a zillion times, and I know there are things that seem perfectly obvious to me that aren't to other people. It's hard for me to know which ones those are. My opinion is that if someone else finds a part of the RFC confusing, incomplete, inobvious, or just plain brain-dead, then it is! I will fix it. I've just spent a half-hour on this. I know that PGP 2 compatibility requires old length types, V3 data structures (keys and sigs), and only RSA, MD5, and IDEA. Is this what you want me to say in a hint? Is there something more subtle that I'm forgetting, but once you mention it I'll say, "Duh, of course"? >I don't think the note > * (Added:) PGP 2.6.X and 5.0 do not trim trailing whitespace from a > "canonical text" signature. They only remove it from cleartext > signatures. >is particularly clear on how to interoperate. > If you don't think it's particularly clear, then it isn't. I'll hazard a guess here. OpenPGP requires that a canonical text signature trim trailing whitespace. These old versions do not. Consequently, if you see a canonical text signature, then you have a number of choices, among them are: (1) Flag it as a mal-formed message, and thus an error. (2) Compute the signature using the trailing white space. (3) Compute the signature with white space, and if that fails, re-compute it without white space. I can't tell you as an implementer which is the right one. As a user, I'd prefer you did (3), as it follows the principle of being liberal in what you accept. However, I don't blame you if you roll your eyes as a developer and say that you don't want to do that. The RFC doesn't require you to be nice, and you may have a lot of good reasons for not doing that. (As an example, you may be working on a constrained platform, like a pager or a handheld, and you don't want to bloat your code.) I intended the the note to be a heads-up that you may see a signature that is not RFC 2440 compliant. How you handle it is your business; I'm not going to tell you how to write your code (but I may say, "I would have decided differently."). It's your decision. I've changed the paragraph to: PGP 2.6.X and 5.0 do not trim trailing whitespace from a "canonical text" signature. They only remove it from cleartext signatures. These signatures are not OpenPGP compliant -- OpenPGP requires trimming the white space. If you wish to interoperate with PGP 2.6.X or PGP 5, you may wish to accept these non-compliant signatures. Feel free to make edits or additions. >The security notes should mention that only v3 RSA signatures are bound to >the hash algorithm, so that v4/DSA signatures can be forged if any one of >the hash algorithms is broken, even if the signer doesn't use that algorithm. I think I'm confused here. Suppose I have an implementation that does DSA with SHA-1. Let us also suppose that Tiger gets broken. How does this affect my DSA/SHA signature? Jon Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24360 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop (ip12.proper.com [165.227.249.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24356 for <ietf-openpgp@imc.org>; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:13:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000118111432.00a62e80@mail.imc.org> X-Sender: phoffman@mail.imc.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:14:33 -0800 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Paul Hoffman / IMC <phoffman@imc.org> Subject: The OpenPGP mailing list has moved Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openpgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openpgp.imc.org> I didn't hear back from the WG chair, but I decided to fix the problem anyway. The new mailing address is: ietf-openpgp@imc.org (note the lack of the second dash). Sending to the old address will get you (or, more likely, the spammers) a simple message with the new address. I hope the spammers don't read bounce messages. I'll inform the IETF Secretariat of the change. The WG web page is at <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/>. --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24007 for ietf-openpgp-bks; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop (ip12.proper.com [165.227.249.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24003 for <ietf-openpgp@imc.org>; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:49:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000118104650.00b7fc30@mail.imc.org> X-Sender: phoffman@mail.imc.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:50:30 -0800 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Paul Hoffman / IMC <phoffman@imc.org> Subject: The OpenPGP mailing list has moved Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-openpgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> List-ID: <ietf-openpgp.imc.org> I didn't hear back from the WG chair, but I decided to fix the problem anyway. The new mailing address is: ietf-openpgp@imc.org (note the lack of the second dash). Sending to the old address will get you (or, more likely, the spammers) a simple message with the new address. I hope the spammers don't read bounce messages. I'll inform the IETF Secretariat of the change. The WG web page is at <http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/>. --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23226 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from enigma.cyphers.net (IDENT:root@enigma.cyphers.net [205.178.102.88]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23221; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:59:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyphers.net (blowfish.cyphers.net [205.178.102.84]) by enigma.cyphers.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA07407; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:02:17 -0800 Message-ID: <3884AA35.2E14B820@cyphers.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:00:41 -0800 From: Will Price <wprice@cyphers.net> Reply-To: wprice@cyphers.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: phoffman@imc.org, jwn2@qualcomm.com CC: Paul Koning <pkoning@xedia.com>, wolfgang@redtenbacher.de, ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Recent spam References: <200001181713.MAA21266@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> <200001181738.MAA22921@tonga.xedia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> Absolutely. The spam here is totally absurd. Again however, I submit that trying to be "smart" about rejecting spam is not the solution. The people who send spam will always figure out a way around it. The immediate solution here is to change the name of the list, and given the urgency of the situation at this point I think we should change the name of list to "ietf-openpgp@imc.org" and ask for forgiveness later. Paul Koning wrote: > > >>>>> "wolfgang" == wolfgang <wolfgang@redtenbacher.de> writes: > > wolfgang> ... > wolfgang> The recent developments (currently already more than 10 > wolfgang> spam postings per _day_, creating a noise vs. signal ratio > wolfgang> of about 97% vs. 3%, and the spam volume is still > wolfgang> increasing!) should prove very clearly that meanwhile spam > wolfgang> _is_ an issue on this mailing list. > > I was going along with the "just ignore it" approach last time it came > up. But at this point I have to agree with Wolfgang that the > situation is getting really bad. Enough so to be significant even > though I have a high speed Internet link; if I had a dialup link I > would have been forced to unsubscribe some time ago. > > Wolfgang's suggestion makes sense. Another approach that would help > some, though presumably it wouldn't be politically acceptable, is to > reject any mesage that has a "*.cn" hostname in its forwarding path. > > paul -- Will Price, Architect/Sr. Mgr., PGP Client Products Total Network Security Division Network Associates, Inc. Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23098 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:50:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from info.gznet.com (www.pci.guangzhou.gd.cn [202.96.151.198]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23094 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:50:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from wangnb ([203.93.101.51]) by info.gznet.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA69168; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 01:43:43 +0800 (CST) From: "gfy" <gfy@21cn.com> Subject: ÄãºÃ¡£ Message-ID: {C1DA29AF-CE03-11D3-B98F-5254AB176E0C}@wangnb To: group@info.gznet.com X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.05.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V(null).1712.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:02:46 +0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns.secondary.com id JAA23095 Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> ÒÔÏÂÊǹúÄÚ×îÖµµÃä¯ÀÀµÄÄÚÈÝ×î·á¸»µÄ ¶àýÌåÖÆ×÷ÍøÕ¾£º http://www.cq.cpcw.com/netschool/ µçÄÔ±¨ÍøÉÏѧԺ£¬½éÉÜÁËÐí¶àÍøÒ³ÖÆ×÷ ºÍ¶àýÌåÖÆ×÷¼¼Êõ£ÍøÒ³ÄÚÈݷdz£·á¸»¡£ http://www.pchome.net/ch/Tur/ µçÄÔÖ®¼ÒÍøÉÏѧԺ£¬½éÉÜÁËͼÏñ¡¢3DÖÆ×÷¡¢ ¶àýÌåÖÆ×÷µÈ¶à·½ÃæµÄ¼¼Êõ¡£ http://www.muslab.com/ Êý×ÖÒôÀÖʵÑéÊÒ£¬ Ò»¸öÈ«Ãæ½éÉܵçÄÔÒôÀֵĹúÄÚȨÍþÍøÕ¾£¬ ÎÞÂÛÊÇÒôÀÖ°®ºÃÕß»¹ÊÇרҵÒôÀÖÖÆ×÷ÈËÊ¿ ¶¼·Ç³£ÖµµÃһȥ¡£ http://www.5dmedia.com/index1.html 5D¾«Ó¢Íø£¬Ò»¸ö½éÉÜ´óÁ¿¶àýÌå¼¼ÊõµÄÍøÕ¾£¬ °üÀ¨Í¼Ïñ¡¢Òµ½çÐÂÎźͶàýÌåÖÆ×÷Èí¼þ¡£ http://www.home.sj.net.cn/~zhouw/ ÉÕ¼һ×壬Ïêϸ½éÉÜVCD¿Ì¼ºÍ¿Ì¼»úʹÓõÄÍøÕ¾¡£ Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22881 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:37:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22876; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:37:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from xedia.com by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: madway.xedia.com [198.202.232.199]) id QQhyoc22252; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:38:11 GMT Received: from tonga.xedia.com by xedia.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03866; Tue, 18 Jan 00 12:35:37 EST Received: by tonga.xedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA22921; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:38:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:38:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200001181738.MAA22921@tonga.xedia.com> From: Paul Koning <pkoning@xedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: wolfgang@redtenbacher.de Cc: phoffman@imc.org, ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Recent spam References: <200001181713.MAA21266@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> >>>>> "wolfgang" == wolfgang <wolfgang@redtenbacher.de> writes: wolfgang> ... wolfgang> The recent developments (currently already more than 10 wolfgang> spam postings per _day_, creating a noise vs. signal ratio wolfgang> of about 97% vs. 3%, and the spam volume is still wolfgang> increasing!) should prove very clearly that meanwhile spam wolfgang> _is_ an issue on this mailing list. I was going along with the "just ignore it" approach last time it came up. But at this point I have to agree with Wolfgang that the situation is getting really bad. Enough so to be significant even though I have a high speed Internet link; if I had a dialup link I would have been forced to unsubscribe some time ago. Wolfgang's suggestion makes sense. Another approach that would help some, though presumably it wouldn't be politically acceptable, is to reject any mesage that has a "*.cn" hostname in its forwarding path. paul Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22531 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.140]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22526; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:12:53 -0800 (PST) From: wolfgang@redtenbacher.de Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.1) id MAA21340; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from 212.211.72.186 ([212.211.72.186]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.1) with SMTP id MAA21266; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:13:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:13:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001181713.MAA21266@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Recent spam To: phoffman@imc.org Cc: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> Paul, when I first brought up the subject of chinese spam on the IETF OpenPGP mailing list ("ietf-open-pgp@imc.org"), I was informed that: (a) a posting limitation for subscribers only was not acceptable to the IETF, and (b) spam (10-30 mails per month maximum) was a complete "non-issue" (according to W. Geiger III). The recent developments (currently already more than 10 spam postings per _day_, creating a noise vs. signal ratio of about 97% vs. 3%, and the spam volume is still increasing!) should prove very clearly that meanwhile spam _is_ an issue on this mailing list. If this situation does not change, the list is in danger of becoming unusable as real postings will get overlooked in the flood of spam. I do accept the openness of the list, so I am not suggesting any limitation here. My log-files prove, however, that simply enforcing RFC 822 + the MIME RFCs would remove nearly all of the current spam: _All_ of the chinese spam postings have one of the following characteristics: (a) They contain 8-bit characters in the e-mail headers (which violates RFC 822), or (b) they have a MIME content labelling of "us-ascii" (= 7bit) while containing 8-bit characters in the mail body (violation of RFC 2045), or (c) they have a MIME content labelling of "ISO-8859-1" while containing ASCII characters between 128 and 159 (which don't exist in ISO-8859-1, thus violating RFC 2045), or (d) they have a content labelling of "GB_2312" (which signifies chinese encoding) and thus are certainly not applicable for any IETF purposes (although they do not really violate any RFCs to my knowledge). Checking the headers for illegal 8-bit characters alone would remove about 90% of the spam postings, and Werner Koch has posted a solution how these mails could be easily filtered. Could you please implement at least _some_ automatic checking (e.g. along the lines of Werner's suggestion)? This would be a one-time effort and the filtered postings could be deleted automatically without inspection as they violate the mail standards, anyway. - Wolfgang Redtenbacher --------------------------------------------------------------------- Redtenbacher Software Tel.: +49 7159 17046 Roemerstr. 11/1 Fax: +49 7159 17047 D-71272 Renningen e-mail: wolfgang@redtenbacher.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22020 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:39:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ahwhptt.net.cn (mail.ahwhptt.net.cn [202.102.199.66]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22016 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:39:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pguoxin (puser605.hf.ah.cn [202.102.221.224]) by mail.ahwhptt.net.cn (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA28242; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:32:33 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <200001181632.AAA28242@mail.ahwhptt.net.cn> From: "friend" <friend@friend.net> Reply-To: friend@friend.net Subject: ÍøÉϳåÀËÓÉÕâÀ↑ʼ! To: friend@mail.ahwhptt.net.cn X-Mailer: Diffondi COOL V2.1 (W95/NT) by Nicola Delfino Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:54:54 +0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns.secondary.com id IAA22017 Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> ÍøÉϳåÀËÓÉÕâÀ↑ʼ,Äú²»¿É²»È¥! http://yesyahoo.yeah.net --------------------------- Õâ²»ÊÇÓʼþÁбí,Ò²²»»áÖظ´·¢ËÍ- Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20345 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 06:37:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from email.online.ha.cn ([202.102.245.25]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20340 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 06:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from wuly (unknown [202.102.245.181]) by email.online.ha.cn (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAF92FF80; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:30:46 +0800 (CST) From: "money" <money@371.net> Reply-To: money@371.net Subject: hi.¹úÄÚµÚÒ»¼ÒÉÏÍø¸¶·ÑµÄ¹«Ë¾ To: 11111@371.net X-Mailer: DiffondiCool V3.0 (W95/NT) Delfino Solutions (Build: Jun 14 1998) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:27:57 +0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <20000115103046.1EAF92FF80@email.online.ha.cn> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns.secondary.com id GAA20342 Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> ×îÐÂÏûÏ¢: ¹úÄÚµÚÒ»¼ÒÀàËÆÓÚSPEDIAµÈµÄ׬ǮÍøվĵµ¤ÍøÕýʽ³ÉÁ¢ÁË¡£µ ÍøվλÓÚÂåÑô,ÿÔÂ26ºÅÏòÄã¼ÄÇ®,¸¶¿î¾ø¶Ô¿É¿¿!Çë¸Ï¿ì×¢²á£¡ http://www58.126.com/ Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13696 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 02:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from email.online.ha.cn ([202.102.245.25]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13686; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 02:32:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from wuly (unknown [202.102.245.181]) by email.online.ha.cn (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351172F6C0; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 17:53:50 +0800 (CST) From: "money" <money@371.net> Reply-To: money@371.net Subject: hi.¹úÄÚµÚÒ»¼ÒÉÏÍø¸¶·ÑµÄ¹«Ë¾ To: 11111@371.net X-Mailer: DiffondiCool V3.0 (W95/NT) Delfino Solutions (Build: Jun 14 1998) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:27:57 +0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <20000115095350.351172F6C0@email.online.ha.cn> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns.secondary.com id CAA13687 Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> ×îÐÂÏûÏ¢: ¹úÄÚµÚÒ»¼ÒÀàËÆÓÚSPEDIAµÈµÄ׬ǮÍøվĵµ¤ÍøÕýʽ³ÉÁ¢ÁË¡£µ ÍøվλÓÚÂåÑô,ÿÔÂ26ºÅÏòÄã¼ÄÇ®,¸¶¿î¾ø¶Ô¿É¿¿!Çë¸Ï¿ì×¢²á£¡ http://www58.126.com/ Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13492 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 02:24:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.nikoma.de (smtp1.nikoma.de [212.122.128.19]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13486 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 02:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from draenor (ppp-172.tnt03.ffm.nikoma.de [212.122.148.172]) by smtp1.nikoma.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA78569 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:25:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from vhp@verlagsservice.com) Message-ID: <861iin.7b.1@draenor.phon.net> Received: from defiant (172.16.2.1) by draenor (212.122.148.172) with smtp ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:25:11 GMT X-Posting-Agent: Hamster/1.3.11.0 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:25:11 +0100 From: Johannes Posel <vhp@verlagsservice.com> Reply-To: Johannes Posel <vhp@verlagsservice.com> To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Recent Spam X-Mailer: Johannes Posel's registered AK-Mail 3.1 publicbeta2a [ger] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> Hi Werner, sorry to again (sic') taking on this damned thread. > An open ML is much easier to use - however some filtering should be > setup - it is not not that complicated and catches 90% of all unwanted > mail. Debian does it and it seems that everyone can live with it. This should really be considered! I don't know if other people realize it but the amount of spam this list gets overthrows all stats I made since years ;( > And please lets stop this thread now. If it is not possible to stop the > unwanted emails I just hit the D key or add my own filtering rule. For 1 week of postings, all were spam. Other periods are not really better. What scares me is the amount (roughly over 90%!) of spam vs. "normal" mail on this list... > Werner Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10785 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 01:37:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from seu.edu.cn (seic3.seu.edu.cn [202.119.24.13]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10778 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 01:37:31 -0800 (PST) From: giveumoney@hotmail.com Received: from 202.119.24.13 ([202.119.12.40]) by seu.edu.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02569 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:38:26 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <200001180938.RAA02569@seu.edu.cn> To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: ²»¿É²»¿´µÄ¡ª¡ª21ÊÀ¼Í׬ǮÍøÂç!Cool! 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ÓÐÕâÑùµÄºÃÊ»¹²»¿ìÈ¥!! http://202.98.107.196/~allin/freespace.htm Ken Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12085 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:06:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailserver1.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (root@mailserver1.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.126.41]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12078 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun14.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (sun14.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.126.11]) by mailserver1.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA20586 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:07:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from ppp131.stud.tu-darmstadt.de (ppp131.stud.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.177.131]) by sun14.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.7.1/8.7.1.2pm+udb) with SMTP id EAA24750 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:07:38 +0100 (MET) Received: id <m129IdS-000RAyC@epsilon>; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 03:08:14 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <m129IdS-000RAyC@epsilon> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 03:08:14 +0100 (CET) From: bmoeller@hrzpub.tu-darmstadt.de (Bodo Moeller) To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: Re: 3 remarks In-Reply-To: <20000113103811.U16601@frodo.gnupg.de> References: <20000113103811.U16601@frodo.gnupg.de> Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org>: >> * I don't think the note >> * (Added:) PGP 2.6.X and 5.0 do not trim trailing whitespace from a >> "canonical text" signature. They only remove it from cleartext >> signatures. >> is particularly clear on how to interoperate. > [IMHO, this is not the goal of the RFC] If the RFC does not demand or recommend that implementations accept such non-standard signatures created by PGP, then that paragraph should not be in the main text (it can be put in an appendix). (Also the wording is bad, trailing whitespace is ignored but not removed when PGP computes cleartext signatures.) 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(pharos.hsp.de [194.77.127.3]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01832 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by pharos.hsp.de with UUCP id SAA04985 for ietf-open-pgp@imc.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:06:51 +0100 Received: from (frodo.gnupg.de) [194.231.77.148] (mail) by beren.gnupg.de with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1 (Debian)) id 1299yd-0002QL-00; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:53:31 +0100 Received: from wk by frodo.gnupg.de with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 129A8T-0008UZ-00; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:03:41 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:03:41 +0100 From: Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: Re: RFC2440 and issuer ID sub-packet Message-ID: <20000114180341.B16601@frodo.gnupg.de> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org References: <P$KypLBDB0f4IAqI@turnpike.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.1i In-Reply-To: <P$KypLBDB0f4IAqI@turnpike.com>; from ianbell@turnpike.com on Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 03:26:59PM +0000 X-URL: http://www.openit.de/wks Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Ian Bell wrote: > 5.2.3.3. Signature creation time > > (4 octet time field) > The time the signature was made. > MUST be present in the hashed area. > > (note the MUST) This MUST is related to the area (whether it goes into the hashed or unhashed are) and not to the subpacket itself. I can think of applications where the signature time is not really needed, say because the time can be deduced from another subpacket. > 5.2.3.4. Issuer > > (8 octet key ID) > The OpenPGP key ID of the key issuing the signature. > > (note the lack of any advice on whether the subpacket is mandatory or > optional) All the subpackets are optional. I agree that this field is very importan but in environments wehre you use only a few keypairs it may be ommited. > 5.2.4.1. Subpacket Hints > > An implementation SHOULD put the two mandatory subpackets, > creation time and issuer, as the first subpackets in the > subpacket list, simply to make it easier for the implementer to > find them. > > The fact that the issuer is mandatory should be reflected by a "MUST" in > 5.2.3.4 as/when RFC2440 is updated. Well, because the issuer is not mandatory, we actually can leave the text as it is. I think the defintion of "mandatory" is not clear: Is a SHOULD mandatory? > all (the example I have is of a X.509 certificate wrapped by a PGP key). > This is sufficient to break the standard public-key server software - At least Marc's server has many other problems with OpenPGP, so that this one is only a minor thing. > The fact that PGP omits the subpacket may be because of the way the > mandatory nature of this subpacket has not been sufficiently emphasised. 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Signature creation time (4 octet time field) The time the signature was made. MUST be present in the hashed area. (note the MUST) 5.2.3.4. Issuer (8 octet key ID) The OpenPGP key ID of the key issuing the signature. (note the lack of any advice on whether the subpacket is mandatory or optional) 5.2.4.1. Subpacket Hints An implementation SHOULD put the two mandatory subpackets, creation time and issuer, as the first subpackets in the subpacket list, simply to make it easier for the implementer to find them. The fact that the issuer is mandatory should be reflected by a "MUST" in 5.2.3.4 as/when RFC2440 is updated. As it happens, PGP6.5 is capable of creating keys without an issuer at all (the example I have is of a X.509 certificate wrapped by a PGP key). This is sufficient to break the standard public-key server software - openPGP vendors may like to check their code too! 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Thu, 13 Jan 2000 06:26:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from public.uni-hamburg.de (public.rrz.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.32.55]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22660 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 06:26:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mail@max1-182.public.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.43.182]) by public.uni-hamburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA70606 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 15:27:28 +0100 Received: from um by localhost with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 128l1c-0000Jn-00; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 15:14:56 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 15:14:56 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ulf_M=F6ller?= <ulf@fitug.de> To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: Re: 3 remarks Message-ID: <20000113151455.A1178@rho> References: <20000113103811.U16601@frodo.gnupg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <20000113103811.U16601@frodo.gnupg.de>; from Werner Koch on Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 10:38:12AM +0100 Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> On Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 10:38:12AM +0100, Werner Koch wrote: > is particularly clear on how to interoperate. > > [IMHO, this is not the goal of the RFC] I doubt that it was a wise decision to declare the PGP canonical non-cleartext signature format incorrect (by the way, how does PGP 6 handle them?), but even ignoring that there are problems. As the draft is written, all OpenPGP implementations must be prepared to recieve "binary" signatures on a "text" literal data packet (or even a "cleartext" signature, which of course works only if there was no trailing whitespace in the document to be signed); or a "canonical text" signature on a "binary" literal data packet; and so on. I don't think you'd find many implementations that handle all that correctly. Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20210 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 04:22:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from fzhxsvr. ([202.97.174.145]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA20205 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 04:22:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 04:22:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200001131222.EAA20205@ns.secondary.com> Received: from fzhx05 [202.97.174.149] by fzhxsvr. (SMTPD32-5.05) id AC3D4602A2; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:47:09 EST From: <yqb@mail.fzhxfz.asptt.ln.cn> To: <iesench@utsltd.kharkov.ua> Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> »Ø¸´µ½: Subject: Ñ°ÇóͶ×ʰ쳧 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000113194719.SM00168@fzhx05> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:28:53 EST Ïêϸ×ÊÁÏÇë¿´http://www.fzhxfz.asptt.ln.cn/zw/xqt.htm Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14801 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from pharos.hsp.de (pharos.hsp.de [194.77.127.3]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14796 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:43:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by pharos.hsp.de with UUCP id KAA02255 for ietf-open-pgp@imc.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:41:20 +0100 Received: from (frodo.gnupg.de) [194.231.77.148] (mail) by beren.gnupg.de with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1 (Debian)) id 128gYG-0001VZ-00; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:28:20 +0100 Received: from wk by frodo.gnupg.de with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 128gho-0006Gg-00; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:38:12 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:38:12 +0100 From: Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: 3 remarks Message-ID: <20000113103811.U16601@frodo.gnupg.de> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.1i X-URL: http://www.openit.de/wks Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> Hello, this WG has been somewhat quite for a long time, even after the last draft has been published. I have seen only a very few comments on this draft and IIRC the main concern was related to a standard naming scheme for notation data. 1) Open points related to the latest draft: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:40:01 +0100, Ulf Möller <ulf@fitug.de>: * PKCS-1 block type 02 [RFC2437] (Was: [RFC2313]) to form the "m" value used in the formulas above. You need to observe the changes in terminology if you refer to the new PKCS #1. * The signature packet format is still specified as including "zero or more subpackets", but the subpacket hints section mentions in passing that two packets are mandatory. * The notes about backward compatibility don't mention that PGP 2 requires certain formats for some packet types. [ I'd suggest to change the wording in section 14 (Implementation Nits) by inserting a "some": "... Thus, this list of some potential problems and gotchas ..." ] * I don't think the note * (Added:) PGP 2.6.X and 5.0 do not trim trailing whitespace from a "canonical text" signature. They only remove it from cleartext signatures. is particularly clear on how to interoperate. [IMHO, this is not the goal of the RFC] * The security notes should mention that only v3 RSA signatures are bound to the hash algorithm, so that v4/DSA signatures can be forged if any one of the hash algorithms is broken, even if the signer doesn't use that algorithm. Sat, 25 Dec 1999 22:20:32 +0100, Thomas Roessler <roessler@guug.de>: * The new draft still does not have any details on notation data naming, making these data essentially useless. I propose to add the following text in the end of section 5.2.3.16 of the draft: [...] [Lacking a better suggestion we should either do this or require that all names to be prefixed with either a "x-" or "X-" until a supplemenatary document describes the usage of these names] 2) A stupid question: Recently I browsed rfc2026 (The Internet Standards Process) to see what is needed for a move to draft standard status. | 4.1.2 Draft Standard | | A specification from which at least two independent and interoperable | implementations from different code bases have been developed, and [...] | The requirement for at least two independent and interoperable | implementations applies to all of the options and features of the | specification. In cases in which one or more options or features | have not been demonstrated in at least two interoperable | implementations, the specification may advance to the Draft Standard | level only if those options or features are removed. It is not clear to me what "options and features" do mean in this context. Does this include the OPTIONAL parts of rfc2440 and what about some of the SHOULDs like the requirements of IDEA (there are good reasons not to implement it for patent reasons)? Do we really need to have 2 implementations which implement all OPTIONAL parts? I don't believe this but I am asking just for clarity. I remember that we once talked about a check list to compare the interoperability and required features (John's answer from Nov 11th). Has there been any progress or should I start to compile a new list based on Tony's work (and where can I get his list)? 3) Action required by implementors Tom, does your implemenation already have the ability to create the "reason for revocation"? Should we implement the new requirements of the draft now? 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RFC 2440 and its newest draft revision specify in section 6 that > Radix-64 encoding is identical to MIME Base64 encoding per RFC > 2045. RFC 2045 (and RFC 822) explicitely specify that the line > break character(s) to be used is/are CRLF. It is the task of a a MUA to convert line endings to network standard format. OpenPGP is not a protocol designed with only mail in mind. > (a) PGP 5.0i for DOS and PGP 6.5.1i for Windows use the line break > CRLF. Because that is the (ugly) DOS convention. > (b) PGP 5.0i for Linux and GnuPG 1.0.1 for Linux use LF alone as > line break. GNU/Linux is based on Unix and therefore we have these lineendings here. > (c) GnuPG 1.0.1 for Windows uses a mixture: All line breaks except > the one preceding the "END PGP MESSAGE" line are CRLF (= DOS > style), and the line break preceding "END PGP MESSAGE" is LF > alone (= Unix style). This should go as a bug report to the GnuPG developers :-) BTW, didn't you noticed these big fat letters saying that this is an alpha version and that it may work or not. It is not good to take such software for your tests. 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Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24875 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 01:29:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.132]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24871 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 01:29:39 -0800 (PST) From: wolfgang@redtenbacher.de Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id EAA27738 for ietf-open-pgp@imc.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 04:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from 212.211.66.57 ([212.211.66.57]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id EAA27701 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 04:29:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 04:29:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001110929.EAA27701@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> Subject: Line Breaks in OpenPGP ASCII armor To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> When doing interoperability tests for the revision of my "OpenPGP Tutorial" (which should be finished within the next 2 days and will be uploaded to "http://www.redtenbacher.de/signatur/index.htm" then), I noticed some variations in handling line breaks in ASCII armored files: 1. RFC 2440 and its newest draft revision specify in section 6 that Radix-64 encoding is identical to MIME Base64 encoding per RFC 2045. RFC 2045 (and RFC 822) explicitely specify that the line break character(s) to be used is/are CRLF. 2. An empirical review of PGP implementations regarding ASCII armor output shows a different picture, however: (a) PGP 5.0i for DOS and PGP 6.5.1i for Windows use the line break CRLF. (b) PGP 5.0i for Linux and GnuPG 1.0.1 for Linux use LF alone as line break. (c) GnuPG 1.0.1 for Windows uses a mixture: All line breaks except the one preceding the "END PGP MESSAGE" line are CRLF (= DOS style), and the line break preceding "END PGP MESSAGE" is LF alone (= Unix style). I am aware that under Unix, the normal line break in ASCII files is LF alone and that it is usually considered to be the job of the email software to convert this into canonical CRLF format. (My mailer software KT-MAIL does this.) I also found that the result of 2b and 2c above didn't cause any decoding problems even when directly transferring the ASCII armored files between Linux and a DOS/Windows machine, as apparently all the above programs accept both versions (CRLF or LF) without any problems. I think, however, that something should be said about this in the revision of RFC 2440, as for the programs listed in 2b and 2c above, there is obviously _no_ 100% equivalence between ASCII armor and MIME encoding regarding the line breaks. And I wonder whether the output of GnuPG 1.0.1 for Windows is really intended to be this mixture between CRLF line breaks and one LF line break, which causes a GnuPG result file to appear wrongly when loaded e.g. into the Win95 editor. - Wolfgang Redtenbacher --------------------------------------------------------------------- Redtenbacher Software Tel.: +49 7159 17046 Roemerstr. 11/1 Fax: +49 7159 17047 D-71272 Renningen e-mail: wolfgang@redtenbacher.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19396 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from xt.hb.cninfo.net ([202.103.44.151]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19392 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:59:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from wangnb by xt.hb.cninfo.net (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4) id OAA09503; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:09:31 +0800 (CST) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:09:31 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <200001110609.OAA09503@xt.hb.cninfo.net> From: "׬ǮÍøվĵµ¤ÍøÕýʽ³ÉÁ¢ÁË." <׬ǮÍøվĵµ¤ÍøÕýʽ³ÉÁ¢ÁË.@xt.hb.cninfo.net> To: <ieg@mail.777.net.cn> Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> »Ø¸´µ½: Subject: ׬ǮÍøվĵµ¤ÍøÕýʽ³ÉÁ¢ÁË. 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See the * GNU General Public License for more details. * * You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License * along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software * Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA * * * 2000-01-06 wk * Written as an attempt to get rid of strange chinese mails * */ #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h> #include <string.h> #include <ctype.h> #define PGMNAME "8bit-in-header" /* bail out after more than BAD_LIMIT 8/bit chars in one logical line * We allow for a few bad characters due to transmission errors or * something like this when option -s is used. */ #define BAD_LIMIT 3 #define MAX_NAMES 200 static int silent; static int sloppy; static void usage(void) { fputs("usage: " PGMNAME " [-q] [-s] [--] [headernames]\n" "\n" " -q be silent\n" " -s sloppy match: accept up to 2 non ascii characters\n" , stderr ); exit(2); } static int name_cmp( const char *a, const char *b ) { for( ; *a && *b; a++, b++ ) { if( *a != *b && toupper(*(unsigned char *)a) != toupper(*(unsigned char *)b) ) return 1; 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If you are active on a lot of mailing lists (and some of them may be really quite). You probably won't remember the address you used to subscribe for all MLs. Yes, with Mutt it is possible to change it automagically but you have to configure it. An open ML is much easier to use - however some filtering should be setup - it is not not that complicated and catches 90% of all unwanted mail. Debian does it and it seems that everyone can live with it. > An "open list" for me is an "unmoderated list" where everybody may An "open list" and an "unmoderated list" are two different things. > dummy user "post.without@reading.org" (or something like that) as a > member of this list. The spammers are not going to use this, and They do - it just takes some time. And please lets stop this thread now. If it is not possible to stop the unwanted emails I just hit the D key or add my own filtering rule. Werner -- Werner Koch at guug.de www.gnupg.org keyid 621CC013 Boycott Amazon! - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03764 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:50:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.nai.com (relay.nai.com [161.69.3.66]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03760 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:50:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns-83-187.dhcp.nai.com (dns-83-187.dhcp.nai.com [161.69.83.187]) by relay.nai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15238; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from michael@localhost) by dns-83-187.dhcp.nai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02256; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:51:22 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:51:22 -0800 From: Michael Elkins <Michael_Elkins@NAI.com> To: Paul Koning <pkoning@xedia.com> Cc: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Recent Spam Message-ID: <20000105105122.A2214@nai.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul Koning <pkoning@xedia.com>, ietf-open-pgp@imc.org References: <200001041655.LAA11171@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> <200001041920.OAA17497@domains.invweb.net> <20000104202443.A4367@mannynkapy.net> <20000105093454.B13650@frodo.gnupg.de> <200001051552.KAA14175@tonga.xedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3us In-Reply-To: <200001051552.KAA14175@tonga.xedia.com> Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 10:52:09AM -0500, Paul Koning wrote: [8-bit in message header fields is not allowed by RFC822] > > It isn't? Weird. That seems like a spec bug that's bound to get > fixed at some point, because of course it's an english-only > restriction that we aren't supposed to have anymore. And perhaps my > memory is flaky, but I would have sworn that I've seen legit mail from > Europe with Latin-1 characters in the headers. I doubt this will change since you can't tell what character set the 8-bit characters belong to. The only way to pass that information is to use the proper MIME encoding to translate everything to 7-bit. This is not a question of being US-centric. me Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03621 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mauve.innosoft.com (mauve.innosoft.com.253.160.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA [192.160.253.247] (may be forged)) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03616; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:39:48 -0800 (PST) From: ned.freed@innosoft.com Received: from MAUVE.INNOSOFT.COM by MAUVE.INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V6.0-17 #35243) id <01JKBLN96RM800008R@MAUVE.INNOSOFT.COM>; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 15:24:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 15:06:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Recent Spam In-reply-to: "Your message dated Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:49:38 -0500 (EST)" <200001051749.MAA29403@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> To: redtenbacher@csi.com Cc: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org, phoffman@imc.org Message-id: <01JKCMCTI04800008R@MAUVE.INNOSOFT.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> > Paul Hoffman / IMC <phoffman@imc.org> wrote on Tue, 04 Jan 2000 > 10:04:43 -0800: > >(a) The IESG has already said that they do not want any posting > >restrictions for WG mailing lists, specifically with this case. As someone > >else has already pointed out, they post from a different address, and > >they'd need to somehow "register" for each address they want to post from. > I am rather surprised to read such statements from IETF members, as > nearly all e-mail clients permit one to change the "From: ..." address > quite easily. > For example, I am posting currently from "wolfgang@redtenbacher.de". > As I have subscribed to most of the 10 mailing lists I receive daily > from another account ("redtenbacher@csi.com"), I simply modify my > "From:" address to "redtenbacher@csi.com" when posting. Fine. Now try dealing with 100 lists, where you've subscribed to each using a different subaddress (for mail sorting purposes), and where you routinely send messages to any/all of them. This is the situation I, and I suspect quite a few others, are in. I happen to have a client that I can configure to use a different origin address for each list I send to, but most clients don't offer this ability. (The only reason the client I use does have it is that I wrote it.) > Is it really too burdensome to require IETF members to learn to > configure their e-mail clients? I always thought that the IETF members > are the top experts of the internet! Simple answer: Yes it is. But even if this weren't the case, the above misses a more fundamental point: IETF lists need to allow people who are not on the list to post. This is true both to allow postings from the IETF Secretariat and suchlike as well as to allow comments from people who aren't actually on the mailing list. The bottom line is that you should not have to be one the list to post to it. It is fine for such postings to be manually checked to insure they aren't SPAM (but nothing more), but as Jim says, doing so is a fairly major pain for very active lists, and while automated tools and other tricks do help, it remains a job that requires manual intervention. > Regarding the "open-ness" of the mailing list, I would like to clarify > my viewpoint: > An "open list" for me is an "unmoderated list" where everybody may > join, and postings are possible without previous permission from a > moderator. A list where people can post without subscription (i.e. > without reading any answers to their postings and without first > checking if the subject has already been covered on the previous day) > might be appropriate in certain special situations, but definitely not > for standards work. On the contrary, there is a fairly clear consensus that this is a requirement for IETF standards work. > I have been an active member of 3 DIN (DIN = German standards institute) > standards working groups for 10 years now and I am head of the German > delegation in 2 ISO standards groups ("Software Ergonomics" and > "Programming Language Modula-2"), so if you consider me "spoiled by > ISO", please correct me. But my experience in standards work is that > "one way communication" (= throwing in one's own experiences without > listening to what others say before or after one's own utterances) > never really helped to progress or improve any standards. My experience in the IETF is exactly the opposite. I also note that such communications are not one-way at all: What happens is that someone posts a comment to a list they are not on, and when list members reply to that comment the original author gets a copy of their messages. In most cases this sort of interaction works quite well. There's also the case where a conversation on one list ends up getting cc'ed to another list that needs to know what's going on. If I'm participating in such a conversation I should not have to join the other list just to prevent my mail sent to it from bouncing. And this sort of piggybacking is a far from uncommon occurance. > Is the IETF experience in this regard really so different? Apparently so. It isn't like closed lists haven't been tried in the IETF. They have, and they have caused a fair number of problems, so we don't allow them any longer. > I always > considered the IETF to be a "free ISO counterpart" where the technical > experts can do their jobs without having to bother with all the > politics of ISO (formal national nominations for every meeting, > national votes only, high membership charges etc.). I appreciate this > free IETF attitude very much, but I cannot really see why this > "freedom" should be extended to abusers of the internet (= spammers). It is quite a bit more (or I perhaps less, depending on your point of view), than that, but this is not the time or place to have this discussion. Ned Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03597 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from pharos.hsp.de (pharos.hsp.de [194.77.127.3]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03593 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:38:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by pharos.hsp.de with UUCP id TAA25040 for ietf-open-pgp@imc.org; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:36:38 +0100 Received: from (frodo.gnupg.de) [194.231.77.148] (mail) by beren.gnupg.de with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1 (Debian)) id 125vEO-0004CO-00; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:32:24 +0100 Received: from wk by frodo.gnupg.de with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 125vMI-00046k-00; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:40:34 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:40:34 +0100 From: Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Recent Spam Message-ID: <20000105194034.Q14537@frodo.gnupg.de> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org References: <200001041655.LAA11171@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> <200001041920.OAA17497@domains.invweb.net> <20000104202443.A4367@mannynkapy.net> <20000105093454.B13650@frodo.gnupg.de> <200001051552.KAA14175@tonga.xedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.1i In-Reply-To: <200001051552.KAA14175@tonga.xedia.com>; from pkoning@xedia.com on Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 10:52:09AM -0500 X-URL: http://www.openit.de/wks Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Paul Koning wrote: > restriction that we aren't supposed to have anymore. And perhaps my > memory is flaky, but I would have sworn that I've seen legit mail from > Europe with Latin-1 characters in the headers. Something like this: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Olle_J=E4rnefors?= <ojarnef@admin.kth.se> A modern MUA will display it more comfortable. RFC2047 defines this and still keeps RFC822 valid. -- Werner Koch at guug.de www.gnupg.org keyid 621CC013 Boycott Amazon! - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02963 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:50:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.140]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02958; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:50:21 -0800 (PST) From: redtenbacher@csi.com Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.1) id MAA29534; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 212.211.74.130 ([212.211.74.130]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.1) with SMTP id MAA29403; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:49:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:49:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001051749.MAA29403@spdmraaa.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Recent Spam To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Cc: phoffman@imc.org Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> Paul Hoffman / IMC <phoffman@imc.org> wrote on Tue, 04 Jan 2000 10:04:43 -0800: >(a) The IESG has already said that they do not want any posting >restrictions for WG mailing lists, specifically with this case. As someone >else has already pointed out, they post from a different address, and >they'd need to somehow "register" for each address they want to post from. I am rather surprised to read such statements from IETF members, as nearly all e-mail clients permit one to change the "From: ..." address quite easily. For example, I am posting currently from "wolfgang@redtenbacher.de". As I have subscribed to most of the 10 mailing lists I receive daily from another account ("redtenbacher@csi.com"), I simply modify my "From:" address to "redtenbacher@csi.com" when posting. Is it really too burdensome to require IETF members to learn to configure their e-mail clients? I always thought that the IETF members are the top experts of the internet! >(b) ns.secondary.com is the mailer for this list; restricting >it would be kinda bad. ... Ops, I was not aware of that. Sorry! Of course we cannot ban this domain, then. Regarding the "open-ness" of the mailing list, I would like to clarify my viewpoint: An "open list" for me is an "unmoderated list" where everybody may join, and postings are possible without previous permission from a moderator. A list where people can post without subscription (i.e. without reading any answers to their postings and without first checking if the subject has already been covered on the previous day) might be appropriate in certain special situations, but definitely not for standards work. I have been an active member of 3 DIN (DIN = German standards institute) standards working groups for 10 years now and I am head of the German delegation in 2 ISO standards groups ("Software Ergonomics" and "Programming Language Modula-2"), so if you consider me "spoiled by ISO", please correct me. But my experience in standards work is that "one way communication" (= throwing in one's own experiences without listening to what others say before or after one's own utterances) never really helped to progress or improve any standards. Is the IETF experience in this regard really so different? I always considered the IETF to be a "free ISO counterpart" where the technical experts can do their jobs without having to bother with all the politics of ISO (formal national nominations for every meeting, national votes only, high membership charges etc.). I appreciate this free IETF attitude very much, but I cannot really see why this "freedom" should be extended to abusers of the internet (= spammers). If "anonymous" postings should be permitted, we can always register a dummy user "post.without@reading.org" (or something like that) as a member of this list. The spammers are not going to use this, and legitimate posters can always use this dummy name if they don't remember under which name they have subscribed to the list. - Wolfgang Redtenbacher (Head of Development) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Redtenbacher Software Tel.: +49 7159 17046 Roemerstr. 11/1 Fax: +49 7159 17047 D-71272 Renningen e-mail: wolfgang@redtenbacher.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01267 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01263 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from xedia.com by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: madway.xedia.com [198.202.232.199]) id QQhwrv28551; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 15:52:10 GMT Received: from tonga.xedia.com by xedia.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08647; Wed, 5 Jan 00 10:49:42 EST Received: by tonga.xedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA14175; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:52:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:52:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200001051552.KAA14175@tonga.xedia.com> From: Paul Koning <pkoning@xedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: wk@gnupg.org Cc: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Recent Spam References: <200001041655.LAA11171@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> <200001041920.OAA17497@domains.invweb.net> <20000104202443.A4367@mannynkapy.net> <20000105093454.B13650@frodo.gnupg.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> >>>>> "Werner" == Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> writes: Werner> On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 08:24:43PM -0800 Tom Rushworth wrote: >> (1) blocking certain addresses (2) restricting posters to >> subscriber addresses (or some such) (3) changing the list name to >> temporarily dodge the spam. Werner> (4) Do only allow RFC822 compliant messages. Werner> I have noticed that most of these junk mails (frankly I don't Werner> know whether it is really junk as I am not able to read Werner> chinese(?)) are not RC822 compliant. In most cases the mail Werner> headers do contain characters with bit 7 set - which is never Werner> allowed in the headers. It isn't? Weird. That seems like a spec bug that's bound to get fixed at some point, because of course it's an english-only restriction that we aren't supposed to have anymore. And perhaps my memory is flaky, but I would have sworn that I've seen legit mail from Europe with Latin-1 characters in the headers. paul Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29310 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 05:40:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA29305 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 05:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from one.elistx.com by one.eListX.com id aa19837; 5 Jan 100 08:38 EST Reply-To: James M Galvin <galvin@acm.org> From: James M Galvin <galvin@acm.org> To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Recent Spam In-reply-to: "William H. Geiger III"'s message of Tue, 04 Jan 2000 13:11:05 CST. <200001041920.OAA17497@domains.invweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa0" Content-ID: <19833.947079521.0@one.elistx.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 08:38:41 -0500 Message-ID: <10001050838.aa19837@one.eListX.com> Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <19833.947079521.1@one.elistx.com> "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@openpgp.net> said: All in all "spam" is a non-issue and there are really better things in life to worry about than a few unwanted messages. The problem is it's not a few unwanted messages. In the context of this elist, maybe it's only "a few". But I subscribe to many elists and it's never just a few. Besides, it's already been shown this elist has gotten more than few. It is possible to deal with spam at choke points, for example where the elist is expanded. I know because I'm a service provider and I do it for a living. However, I also know it's not as easy as any of the suggestions offered here. All the elist management applications I know have very limited capabilities for dealing with spam. Worse, if you're a site like IMC.ORG that manages many elists, the applications are even less effective at providing per elist "knobs". In my experience the single best thing you can do to prevent spam is restrict submissions to be from subscribers only. But to do this you need to moderate the submissions that bounce. Few people have time for this, and as Paul Hoffman pointed out, it is required for IETF elists. It is possible to write/programs to manage the moderation, but let me just say that I've thousands of lines of perl code to do this, and a specialized channel for my mail system. And I still have to do 5-15% by hand, mostly because false positives are unacceptable. My point is the problem is endemic to email, not any particular elist. It's always possible to solve the problem with a reasonable set of resources for one elist. It's very hard to do in general. Paul, the manager of this elist, has the general problem. Jim ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <19833.947079521.2@one.elistx.com> Content-Description: Contact Information -- James M. Galvin <galvin@acm.org> To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be. ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <@mail.acm.org:owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org> Received: from mail.acm.org by one.eListX.com id aa10131; 4 Jan 100 14:29 EST Received: from ns.secondary.com (ns.secondary.com [208.184.76.39]) by mail.acm.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA44918; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:25:53 -0500 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12724 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from domains.invweb.net (IDENT:root@domains.invweb.net [198.182.196.32]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12720 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:20:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from whgiii.geiger.local (IDENT:root@openpgp.net [199.184.252.29]) by domains.invweb.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA17497; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:20:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200001041920.OAA17497@domains.invweb.net> From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@openpgp.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 13:11:05 -0600 To: redtenbacher@csi.com In-Reply-To: <200001041655.LAA11171@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> Cc: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Recent Spam X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.03 c03 Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> In <200001041655.LAA11171@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com>, on 01/04/00 at 01:11 PM, redtenbacher@csi.com said: >I am aware that during recent discussion of previous spam on this list >some members have suggested that every member increase their individual >"kill files". However, I cannot consider this to be an acceptable >solution as it violates one of the design principles of the Internet: "If >you can do something in one place, don't multiply the effort to many >places." >Moreover, in Europe many people pay for connection time. >Therefore downloading spam (and thus paying for it) and then delete it >(automatically or after inspection) is not a very efficient >solution. This is an *open* list. That means anyone can post here not just subscribers. We even had David "FUD" Sternlight posting here a while back. The amount a "spam" is quite lite <10 messages a month. DL times and the amount of time/effort to hit the delete key is quite insignificant. Not to mention the amount of time & bandwidth wasted on complaining about "spam" generally exceeds that of the "spam" being complained about. So called "solutions" to "spam" generally lead to a more restrictive environment for all those involved and range from a minor inconvenience for the list subscribers to the truly draconian. All in all "spam" is a non-issue and there are really better things in life to worry about than a few unwanted messages. -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Data Security & Cryptology Consulting Programming, Networking, Analysis PGP for OS/2: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html --------------------------------------------------------------- ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0-- Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28588 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 05:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ga.prestige.net (dns2.prestige.net [208.220.88.11] (may be forged)) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28584 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 05:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from oemcomputer [208.246.189.214] by ga.prestige.net (SMTPD32-6.00) id A35EEBA90258; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 08:13:02 -0500 From: "Damon W Edmondson" <Damon@ga.prestige.net> To: <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org> Subject: RE: Recent Spam Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:09:46 -0500 Message-ID: <NDBBKCABKLJHMHINFHILAECJCAAA.Damon@ga.prestige.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000105093454.B13650@frodo.gnupg.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> I guess I just want to know how to get of the mail list. I get 4 of these a day. I don't normally get spam, and in case some of you folks don't realize it, these emails contain macros and .dll files that try to execute on your system. These are almost virus like in their behavior....and I want nothing to do with it. So, if anyone knows how to unsubscribe, a repost of those instructions to the group would be nice. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org]On Behalf Of Werner Koch Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 3:35 AM To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Recent Spam On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 08:24:43PM -0800 Tom Rushworth wrote: > (1) blocking certain addresses > (2) restricting posters to subscriber addresses (or some such) > (3) changing the list name to temporarily dodge the spam. (4) Do only allow RFC822 compliant messages. I have noticed that most of these junk mails (frankly I don't know whether it is really junk as I am not able to read chinese(?)) are not RC822 compliant. In most cases the mail headers do contain characters with bit 7 set - which is never allowed in the headers. So a simple filter which looks for more than 2 or 3 bad characters in the header lines (From, To, Subject) should be able to kick out 90% percent of those mails. The problem does not exist for this ML only: Nearly all the junk mail I receive is of that kind. It should be possible to hack procmail or Majordomo to do just this; an option for sendmail,exim,qmail,postfix would even be better. -- Werner Koch at guug.de www.gnupg.org keyid 621CC013 Boycott Amazon! - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15604 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:49:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from pharos.hsp.de (pharos.hsp.de [194.77.127.3]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15597 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:49:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by pharos.hsp.de with UUCP id JAA22623 for ietf-open-pgp@imc.org; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:45:34 +0100 Received: from (frodo.gnupg.de) [194.231.77.148] (mail) by beren.gnupg.de with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1 (Debian)) id 125lmM-0003nC-00; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:26:50 +0100 Received: from wk by frodo.gnupg.de with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 125luA-0003Ye-00; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:34:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:34:54 +0100 From: Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Recent Spam Message-ID: <20000105093454.B13650@frodo.gnupg.de> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org References: <200001041655.LAA11171@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> <200001041920.OAA17497@domains.invweb.net> <20000104202443.A4367@mannynkapy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1i In-Reply-To: <20000104202443.A4367@mannynkapy.net>; from tbr@mannynkapy.net on Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 08:24:43PM -0800 X-URL: http://www.openit.de/wks Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 08:24:43PM -0800 Tom Rushworth wrote: > (1) blocking certain addresses > (2) restricting posters to subscriber addresses (or some such) > (3) changing the list name to temporarily dodge the spam. (4) Do only allow RFC822 compliant messages. I have noticed that most of these junk mails (frankly I don't know whether it is really junk as I am not able to read chinese(?)) are not RC822 compliant. In most cases the mail headers do contain characters with bit 7 set - which is never allowed in the headers. So a simple filter which looks for more than 2 or 3 bad characters in the header lines (From, To, Subject) should be able to kick out 90% percent of those mails. The problem does not exist for this ML only: Nearly all the junk mail I receive is of that kind. 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Welcome to www.tongtu.com Beijing Tongtu Information Technology Co.Ltd Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08187 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:39:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlin.fireplug.net (merlin.fireplug.net [204.174.19.21]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08181 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp by merlin.fireplug.net with local-rmail (Exim 2.12 #12) id 125jAJ-0003i0-00; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:39:23 -0800 Received: from guarneri.mannynkapy.net([192.168.168.66]) (5183 bytes) by kopernik.mannynkapy.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:smart_host/T:uux (sender: <tbr@mannynkapy.net>) id <m125ixW-000CA5C@kopernik.mannynkapy.net> for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:26:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.104 1998-Nov-20 #2 built 1999-Oct-25) Received: from localhost (4767 bytes) by guarneri.mannynkapy.net via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:inet_zone_smtp (sender: <tbr>) (ident <tbr> using unix) id <m125i03-0003jFC@guarneri.mannynkapy.net> for <whgiii@openpgp.net>; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:24:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.105 1999-Mar-3 #3 built 1999-Apr-25) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:24:43 -0800 From: Tom Rushworth <tbr@mannynkapy.net> To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Cc: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@openpgp.net> Subject: Re: Recent Spam Message-ID: <20000104202443.A4367@mannynkapy.net> Reply-To: tbr@acm.org References: <200001041655.LAA11171@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> <200001041920.OAA17497@domains.invweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <200001041920.OAA17497@domains.invweb.net>; from William H. Geiger III on Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 01:11:05PM -0600 Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 01:11:05PM -0600, William H. Geiger III wrote: >=20 > This is an *open* list. That means anyone can post here not just > subscribers. We even had David "FUD" Sternlight posting here a while back. I agree with the general idea of "open", but I think there is a difference between "wide open" and "open for anyone to discuss OpenPGP". Do ads for coolgirl this or 1,000,000 address that contribute to the discussion? I wish there were either an easy technical way to to spot the complete junk, or an unbiased, well connected person who has nothing better to do with his time but filter out the junk. Since I don't know of either, I think some discussion of alternatives is appropriate. Suggestions I've seen (or even made) so far are: (1) blocking certain addresses (2) restricting posters to subscriber addresses (or some such) (3) changing the list name to temporarily dodge the spam. Both (1) and (2) would seem to fall into the "draconian" group, and (3) is = only temporary. What about (4) requiring each posting to have a PGP signature, or (5) requiring the message body to contain the phrase "OpenPGP"? Either could be implemented in a way that didn't require human supervision, and given the subject material of the list, should not be too onerous to potential posters. (I'm not suggesting that the signatures be verifiable, simply that they be syntactically correct. This would still let someone who did not have a pgp key on a server send a message to the list.) > The amount a "spam" is quite lite <10 messages a month. DL times and the I had decided to count for a month or so before I opened my mouth again, but the numbers you give don't come near matching even my partial results. I've been saving all messages since December 12th in either pgp-junk or pgp-real. What follows are the sizes and message counts, not counting toda= y's messages. $ ls -l pgp-* -rw------- 1 tbr user 347888 Jan 4 19:19 pgp-junk -rw------- 1 tbr user 32015 Jan 4 19:24 pgp-real $ grep '^From imc.org!' pgp-junk | wc -l 49=20 $ grep '^From imc.org!' pgp-real | wc -l=20 9=20 > amount of time/effort to hit the delete key is quite insignificant. Not to > mention the amount of time & bandwidth wasted on complaining about "spam" > generally exceeds that of the "spam" being complained about. So called Not if you measure it. Perhaps in annoyance value if the discussion gets under your skin :). > "solutions" to "spam" generally lead to a more restrictive environment for > all those involved and range from a minor inconvenience for the list > subscribers to the truly draconian. True enough, but I find the 5 to 1 ratio in messages an inconvience, and, since I pay by the minute for downloads I find the 10 to 1 ratio in bytes a real irritation. Yes, I know the absolute cost is small, and I should just accept it, like shopkeepers must accept shoplifting as part of the cost of doing business. I don't know many shopkeepers who do absolutely nothing about their problem though. >=20 > All in all "spam" is a non-issue and there are really better things in > life to worry about than a few unwanted messages. Sorta true, but the problem isn't quite as much of a non-issue for everyone, and my impression is that the spam level is going up. (I'll need a longer time-line before that's more than an impression.) If it is going up, this list could get drowned in the noise. Given that cryptographic signatures might someday provide a way to seriously curtail spam, it's a bit ironic that this list should be plagued by it. --=20 Tom Rushworth --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: T2bjtLAdKQ0059u27uAz8Wuv6TiFH1x4 iQA/AwUBOHLHifYcbPr36PgcEQJ0bACeI33UCj89CrDFweXIFb2aZsLx/FEAoN4C lKpDx+8b/1JVf2HQezZ2U+t9 =7/Hc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK-- Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22825 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:36:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.zj.cninfo.net ([202.101.191.121]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22809 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ysy (ppp145-166.hz.zj.cn [202.101.166.145]) by smtp3.zj.cninfo.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00254; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:39:56 +0800 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:39:56 +0800 Message-Id: <200001050939.RAA00254@smtp3.zj.cninfo.net> From: »¶Ó·ÃÎʺÃà¸ÍøÂç <ysyd@yeah.net> To: <johnw@qd.lucent.com> Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> »Ø¸´µ½: Subject: ÐÂÄêÐÂÃæò,ºÃà¸ÍøÂç¸üРMime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ºÃà¸ÍøÂçÏòÄúÌṩdreamweaverµÄÈ«·½Î»·þÎñ,ÐÂÌí¼Ódreamweaver 3µÄ×ÊÁÏ. »¶Ó·ÃÎÊ. http://thatis.163.net/ ºÃà¸ÍøÂç×£ÄúÐÂÄêÓä¿ì,ÐÂÊÀ¼ÍÓä¿ì! Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12724 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from domains.invweb.net (IDENT:root@domains.invweb.net [198.182.196.32]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12720 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:20:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from whgiii.geiger.local (IDENT:root@openpgp.net [199.184.252.29]) by domains.invweb.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA17497; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:20:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200001041920.OAA17497@domains.invweb.net> From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@openpgp.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 13:11:05 -0600 To: redtenbacher@csi.com In-Reply-To: <200001041655.LAA11171@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> Cc: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Recent Spam X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.03 c03 Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> In <200001041655.LAA11171@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com>, on 01/04/00 at 01:11 PM, redtenbacher@csi.com said: >I am aware that during recent discussion of previous spam on this list >some members have suggested that every member increase their individual >"kill files". However, I cannot consider this to be an acceptable >solution as it violates one of the design principles of the Internet: "If >you can do something in one place, don't multiply the effort to many >places." >Moreover, in Europe many people pay for connection time. >Therefore downloading spam (and thus paying for it) and then delete it >(automatically or after inspection) is not a very efficient >solution. This is an *open* list. That means anyone can post here not just subscribers. We even had David "FUD" Sternlight posting here a while back. The amount a "spam" is quite lite <10 messages a month. DL times and the amount of time/effort to hit the delete key is quite insignificant. Not to mention the amount of time & bandwidth wasted on complaining about "spam" generally exceeds that of the "spam" being complained about. So called "solutions" to "spam" generally lead to a more restrictive environment for all those involved and range from a minor inconvenience for the list subscribers to the truly draconian. All in all "spam" is a non-issue and there are really better things in life to worry about than a few unwanted messages. -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Data Security & Cryptology Consulting Programming, Networking, Analysis PGP for OS/2: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html --------------------------------------------------------------- Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11864 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:25:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from v4j31 (ip12.proper.com [165.227.249.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11860; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:25:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000104102321.00bc0620@mail.imc.org> X-Sender: phoffman@mail.imc.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 10:25:24 -0800 To: wprice@cyphers.net From: Paul Hoffman / IMC <phoffman@imc.org> Subject: Re: Recent Spam Cc: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org In-Reply-To: <3872380F.ACC57C78@cyphers.net> References: <4.2.1.20000104095404.00b388b0@mail.imc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> At 10:12 AM 1/4/00 -0800, Will Price wrote: >How about just doing something simple like changing the list address to >"ietf-openpgp" rather than "ietf-open-pgp". > >Solves the problem immediately and introduces no new restrictions. I'd be happy to do this if the WG chair asks. It means him doing a bit of work with the IETF Secretariat, but that would be trivial. And I agree, it would eliminate the vast majority of the spam. (The address may eventually get re-harvested by the spammers, but many IMC-run lists have little or no spam on them.) --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11716 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from enigma.cyphers.net (IDENT:root@enigma.cyphers.net [205.178.102.88]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11709; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:12:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyphers.net (blowfish.cyphers.net [205.178.102.84]) by enigma.cyphers.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA07267; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:05:17 -0800 Message-ID: <3872380F.ACC57C78@cyphers.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 10:12:44 -0800 From: Will Price <wprice@cyphers.net> Reply-To: wprice@cyphers.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman / IMC <phoffman@imc.org> CC: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Recent Spam References: <4.2.1.20000104095404.00b388b0@mail.imc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> How about just doing something simple like changing the list address to "ietf-openpgp" rather than "ietf-open-pgp". Solves the problem immediately and introduces no new restrictions. -- Will Will Price, Architect/Sr. Mgr., PGP Client Products Total Network Security Division Network Associates, Inc. Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11593 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from v4j31 (ip12.proper.com [165.227.249.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11589 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:04:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000104095404.00b388b0@mail.imc.org> X-Sender: phoffman@mail.imc.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 10:04:43 -0800 To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org From: Paul Hoffman / IMC <phoffman@imc.org> Subject: Re: Recent Spam In-Reply-To: <200001041655.LAA11171@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> At 11:55 AM 1/4/00 -0500, redtenbacher@csi.com wrote: >Recently, the level of spam on this mailing list has increased a >lot. I don't know who the operator/owner of this list is, It's me. I'm listed in the greeting message everyone receives when subscribing. > but it >should be quite easy to: > >(a) limit postings to this list to subscribers and > >(b) ban any repeated spammers like "*www11.heha.net", > "*ns.secondary.com", "*163.net", "*263.net" and "*cn.com". Easy, yes. Proper for an IETF WG, no. Let's look at each proposal. (a) The IESG has already said that they do not want any posting restrictions for WG mailing lists, specifically with this case. As someone else has already pointed out, they post from a different address, and they'd need to somehow "register" for each address they want to post from. Not only is this burdensome for the list admin, it means that if someone really needs to post an important note about the protocol but is on the road, they could be delayed by many days. (b) ns.secondary.com is the mailer for this list; restricting it would be kinda bad. Restricting by suspected domain names would also possibly prevent legit posters. >I am moderating 2 mailing lists of my own on "onelist.com", and >it is quite easy to do such banning/filtering there. Therefore, >if the "majordomo" software should not be able to do this (I have >not checked it) we might consider switching to another list host. If the WG chair wants to move the list, that's obviously no problem. I suspect, however, that if he moves it and imposes restrictions that are not appropriate for WG mailing lists, this would not be a good thing. > (Who should fight spam >successfully if even the IETF members can't do it?) Blocking spam and fighting spam are quite different. IMC is on the forefront of informing people about the technical measures available for both. >As this list is not a support list for OpenPGP but some sort of >"standards working group", we can easily restrict the posters to >subscribers of the list, and then ban repeated spammers from the >subcriber database. I wish this were the case, but it's not. If you want to take this issue to the IESG (yet again), feel free to do so. --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10719 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:14:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from sirius.infonex.com (sirius.infonex.com [209.75.197.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10715 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:14:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01572; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:14:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:14:32 -0800 (PST) From: mark@unicorn.com To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Message-Id: <947006062.1571.193.133.230.33@unicorn.com> Subject: Re: Recent Spam Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> redtenbacher@csi.com wrote: >I don't know who the operator/owner of this list is, but it >should be quite easy to: >(a) limit postings to this list to subscribers Of course some of us post from addresses other than those we subscribe from... but provided there's some kind of alternate address list that would be OK. Mark Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10314 for ietf-open-pgp-bks; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:55:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.132]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10310 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:55:51 -0800 (PST) From: redtenbacher@csi.com Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id LAA11281 for ietf-open-pgp@imc.org; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from 212.211.90.15 ([212.211.90.15]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id LAA11171 for <ietf-open-pgp@imc.org>; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:55:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:55:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001041655.LAA11171@hpdmraaa.compuserve.com> Subject: Recent Spam To: ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-open-pgp/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-open-pgp.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-open-pgp-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> Recently, the level of spam on this mailing list has increased a lot. I don't know who the operator/owner of this list is, but it should be quite easy to: (a) limit postings to this list to subscribers and (b) ban any repeated spammers like "*www11.heha.net", "*ns.secondary.com", "*163.net", "*263.net" and "*cn.com". I am moderating 2 mailing lists of my own on "onelist.com", and it is quite easy to do such banning/filtering there. Therefore, if the "majordomo" software should not be able to do this (I have not checked it) we might consider switching to another list host. I am responsible for a major OpenPGP pilot project with currently ca. 40 cities in Southern Germany which is planned to be expanded to a lot more cities (for more info [in German language] see "http://www.redtenbacher.de/signatur/index.htm"). Therefore I would very much prefer to stay on the OpenPGP mailing list to ensure that I am always up-to-date on new developments. But I consider it unacceptable that about 2/3 of all spam which I receive comes from an IETF mailing list! (Who should fight spam successfully if even the IETF members can't do it?) As this list is not a support list for OpenPGP but some sort of "standards working group", we can easily restrict the posters to subscribers of the list, and then ban repeated spammers from the subcriber database. I am aware that during recent discussion of previous spam on this list some members have suggested that every member increase their individual "kill files". However, I cannot consider this to be an acceptable solution as it violates one of the design principles of the Internet: "If you can do something in one place, don't multiply the effort to many places." Moreover, in Europe many people pay for connection time. 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- Re: processing of "speculative" key ids: MAY -> S… wolfgang
- Re: processing of "speculative" key ids: MAY -> S… sen_ml
- Re: processing of "speculative" key ids: MAY -> S… Werner Koch
- Re: processing of "speculative" key ids: MAY -> S… wolfgang
- Re: processing of "speculative" key ids: MAY -> S… Kent Crispin
- Re: processing of "speculative" key ids: MAY -> S… sen_ml