Re: [openpgp] comments on draft-mccain-keylist-02

Wiktor Kwapisiewicz <wiktor@metacode.biz> Wed, 13 February 2019 11:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [openpgp] comments on draft-mccain-keylist-02
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Hello,

Excellent points and I'm glad that the draft has been published on this 
ML for a discussion in a wider audience.

As far as I understood draft-mccain-keylist-02 its goals can already be 
achieved with a combination of already existing features:

1. Discovering keys for company employees - using "e-mail to key" lookup 
(e.g. WKD)

2. Trusting that these keys are authentic - by signing an Authority Key 
and setting ownertrust to full. This can be done only once and it works 
for all future keys. Even with draft-mccain-keylist-02 one needs to do 
that to know which keys are trusted. There is one variation of this 
scheme - by using Trust Signatures one can trust Authority Key to keys 
from the company domain only.

3. Keeping keys up to date - why not just refresh all keys in the local 
keyring? (e.g. `gpg --refresh-keys` or something similar). (GnuPG will 
refresh expired keys over WKD if they were fetched with WKD [0]).

[0]: https://dev.gnupg.org/T2917

If the problem is that people verify signatures and the keys are not 
present I think applications have appropriate options to fetch keys 
automatically (e.g. `gpg --auto-key-retrieve`).

I like the point of using .well-known for a keyring of all people but 
from what I've heard on GitHub the ability to host keylist on a 
different domain is desired:

> There's no reason to trust the server that hosts the keylist file. We already don't trust it -- FLM hosts our keylist on GitHub.

Source: 
https://github.com/firstlookmedia/keylist-rfc/issues/8#issuecomment-426846582

Kind regards,
Wiktor

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