[OPS-DIR]Re: draft-ietf-sshm-mlkem-hybrid-kex-07 ietf last call Opsdir review

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Dear Med,

Correct. All my comments were addressed.

Best wishes
Thomas

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Hi Thomas,

Thank you for the review. I see that the authors published -08 with you review in mind.

FYI, I balloted "No Objection" right now: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ssh/rDbAsDIqaT-b-NV3y0I7XfbtpH4/

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Thomas Graf via Datatracker <[e-mail]> Envoyé : jeudi 1
> janvier 2026 11:52 À : [e-mail] Cc :
> [e-mail]; last- [e-mail];
> [e-mail] Objet : [OPS-DIR]draft-ietf-sshm-mlkem-hybrid-kex-07 ietf
> last call Opsdir review
>
>
> Document: draft-ietf-sshm-mlkem-hybrid-kex
> Title: PQ/T Hybrid Key Exchange with ML-KEM in SSH
> Reviewer: Thomas Graf
> Review result: Ready
>
> Hi,
>
> I have been selected as the Operational Directorate (opsdir) reviewer
> for this Internet-Draft.
>
> The Operational Directorate reviews all operational and
> management-related Internet-Drafts to ensure alignment with
> operational best practices and that adequate operational
> considerations are covered.
>
> A complete set of _"Guidelines for Considering Operations and
> Management in IETF Specifications"_ can be found at
> https://fra0/
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> 1aG5yY0C1o%3D&reserved=0.
>
> While these comments are primarily for the Operations and Management
> Area Directors (Ops ADs), the authors should consider them alongside
> other feedback received.
>
> - Document: [draft-ietf-sshm-mlkem-hybrid-kex-07]
>
> - Reviewer: [Thomas Graf]
>
> - Review Date: [01.01.2026]
>
> - Intended Status: [Informational]
>
> This document defines Post-Quantum Traditional (PQ/T) Hybrid key
> exchange methods using the Module-Lattice-Based Key-Encapsulation
> Mechanism (ML-KEM) standard and traditional Elliptic-curve Diffie-
> Hellman (ECDH) key exchange schemes for extending the SSH Transport
> Layer Protocol.
>
> I have reviewed the document and its references. I am not a
> cryptography expert and therefore won't be able to judge and comment
> on the security related statements. My focus is primarily on
> operations and manageability.
>
> The document is straightforward and very well written. Therefore my
> comments are rather minor.
>
> ---
>
> ## Summary
>
> Choose one:
>
> - Ready: No issues found. This document is ready for publication.
>
> ## General Operational Comments Alignment with RFC 5706bis
>
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> new protocols or extension.
>
> In the following sentence
>
>    This document addresses the problem by extending the SSH Transport
>    Layer Protocol [RFC4253] key exchange
>
> I suggest to reference
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> specifically and consider in the document to briefly mention the
> migration path
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> to ML-KEM.
>
> In the following sentence
>
>    An implementation adhering to [RFC4253] must be able to support
>    packets with an uncompressed payload length of 32768 bytes or less
>    and a total packet size of 35000 bytes or less (including
>    'packet_length', 'padding_length', 'payload', 'random padding', and
>    'mac').
>
> I also suggest to reference
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> Q%2Fac%3D&reserved=0 specifically. I understood that the section
> 2.3 defined methods does not impose such issues while other post-
> quantum key exchange schemes might impose such problems.
>
> In the Acknowledgements section the authors describe that there are
> existing implementations. Please consider writing a "Implementation
> Status" section as described in
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> GY%3D&reserved=0 or/and link the open-source implementation in the
> data tracker.
>
> ---
>
>
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