Re: [OPSAWG] Alexey Melnikov's Yes on draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-20: (with COMMENT)
Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Tue, 17 April 2018 12:13 UTC
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To: Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: draft-ietf-opsawg-mud@ietf.org, Joe Clarke <jclarke@cisco.com>, opsawg-chairs@ietf.org, opsawg@ietf.org
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From: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Alexey Melnikov's Yes on draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-20: (with COMMENT)
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Hi Alexey, On 17.04.18 13:35, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-20: Yes > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-opsawg-mud/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 3.6. systeminfo > > This is a textual UTF-8 description of the Thing to be connected. > The intent is for administrators to be able to see a localized name > associated with the Thing. > > systeminfo is provided by the manufacturer (or whoever generated the MUD file), > right? Why would it be *localized* for the administrator? Think of a > manufacturer from China and a sysadmin in Russia. Yes, that was a spurious leftover from earlier versions. It is gone in my copy. I do wish we could have done better at this, but with the response Robert's review, I hope I can at least get a link that people can copy into their browsers to actually find localized content. > > 3.13. controller > > This URI specifies a value that a controller will register with the > MUD controller. The node then is expanded to the set of hosts that > are so registered. This node may also be a URN. In this case, the > URN describes a well known service, such as DNS or NTP. > > You don't list the DNS/NTP URNs until much later in the document. Please either > add a forward reference or list them here. Ok. Will add forward reference. And indeed the below are corrected in my copy. Thanks for improving the work, Eliot > > As per response from Eliot, my earlier comments should have been addressed in > editor's copy: > > 16.4. MIME Media-type Registration for MUD files > > The following media-type is defined for transfer of MUD file: > > o Type name: application > o Subtype name: mud+json > o Required parameters: n/a > o Optional parameters: n/a > o Encoding considerations: 8bit; application/mud+json values > are represented as a JSON object; UTF-8 encoding SHOULD be > employed. > > I am tempted to say "MUST be UTF-8 encoded". > > o Security considerations: See Security Considerations > of this document. > o Interoperability considerations: n/a > o Published specification: this document > > Nit: IANA Media Type registration templates need to have fully qualified > references. Use "[RFCXXXX]" instead of "this document" here, so that when the > RFC is published, the registration template can be posted to IANA website and > will have correct reference. > > o Applications that use this media type: MUD controllers as > specified by this document. > > As above. > > o Fragment identifier considerations: n/a > o Additional information: > > Magic number(s): n/a > File extension(s): n/a > Macintosh file type code(s): n/a > > o Person & email address to contact for further information: > Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>, Ralph Droms <rdroms@cisco.com> > > I think Ralph's address is wrong in 2 places. > > o Intended usage: COMMON > o Restrictions on usage: none > o Author: > Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> > Ralph Droms <rdroms@cisco.com> > o Change controller: IESG > o Provisional registration? (standards tree only): No. > > UTF-8 needs to be a Normative reference (RFC 3629). > > >
- [OPSAWG] Alexey Melnikov's Yes on draft-ietf-opsa… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [OPSAWG] Alexey Melnikov's Yes on draft-ietf-… Eliot Lear