Re: [OPSEC] [v6ops] Asking for a review of draft-ietf-opsec-v6-08

Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> Fri, 17 June 2016 02:12 UTC

Return-Path: <lorenzo@google.com>
X-Original-To: opsec@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: opsec@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B06E12D924 for <opsec@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 19:12:13 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.126
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.126 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0E4Td5C3DsWG for <opsec@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 19:12:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-io0-x236.google.com (mail-io0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62E4512DBF1 for <opsec@ietf.org>; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 19:12:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-io0-x236.google.com with SMTP id n127so66511062iof.3 for <opsec@ietf.org>; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 19:12:11 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=F55m/HLDOKD3NVKGrkeTL+aBiT0k1zDA7h6eJsCzxUA=; b=ozdm0+s0hMkh+EK/aBd3osiBX5kj1lUL+0v5JqcGCmuofAyZjn6HQdHm9EOW92H/Nl Z0co7W3KueEsUvJI3ZJEA1zJCrlhu1OCxceLrAKhUoRH19nxdG3Ewhn/DPPcyzVXU/cr gB0m9oI7sjvtGuSdhtnHcGC74XrgODXtlzeL7ad5YHcARCcuTuZ/FWqQR8bkKw4+pw4x pWOs4LeBF8v0I6UJ45ISc0pTaQIPeAs4936r2oKU899dB+5Hcq8emFwaY4OHjjVOvmQ9 CxNZkPA6BFnUcpdK8LchXcybZt/h4hTr1GC8mZ4gtMWzDL3ZFo1sBhNVtGZHhlF98QYe BesA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=F55m/HLDOKD3NVKGrkeTL+aBiT0k1zDA7h6eJsCzxUA=; b=msUJ9nB3djV3cB3V1IlXeInA8yQN6UlZNXzJmpK3UdkqlTntYeHbCb7JSniKA1wBaE BxqThTgmpbs8AW3MRF1jwewz9rQ0PQMR6DtknXlfVI4DVKHfHGi1P5yF9fnmttNivkRk ibQy0FbQOsUYPw80FaB3LKYhLwrJ0JEMoqgHgesirkHYzrdnvkIT/3b6ie5dpFvtaL9Q mI3eD7VaCYa5UcCbufGCApear7EEqXBAAWhokgEkUQ73hWd5GrJ0a0psbN7WC6qw1hiZ xLlb/+obafB7hy4to2dd+jbNriy8Etyivyv630N/Ce+1+yZKh5OlJTMtdMwii6gMcWzv 9fpw==
X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tL4dTT+MgKP4Y4SC0D4xElZOmjim+DoWIEbQYmdBGlL2gyD7MqsVjnw9e/lLsYC/PA56ci3dvWcCbYAUMcw
X-Received: by 10.107.14.140 with SMTP id 134mr7624410ioo.94.1466129530574; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 19:12:10 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.64.225.228 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 19:11:50 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <CAAedzxqBr=ApvGTUrjNUnRmpcamkt4OH1CchcDEWgDcXRgo8Fw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D386FF93.75916%evyncke@cisco.com> <CAAedzxqBr=ApvGTUrjNUnRmpcamkt4OH1CchcDEWgDcXRgo8Fw@mail.gmail.com>
From: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 19:11:50 -0700
Message-ID: <CAKD1Yr0GEH0tE1m94tuKmXcdQwRSHxF26fC4Da6FZObH6c_gYA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Erik Kline <ek@google.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113fef80ddd36805356fe1f1"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/opsec/JjGdbMxt7ZFMcyC_qkK31omV6Qo>
Cc: "v6ops@ietf.org" <v6ops@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-opsec-v6@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-opsec-v6@ietf.org>, "opsec@ietf.org" <opsec@ietf.org>, "linkedin@xn--debrn-nva.de" <linkedin@xn--debrn-nva.de>, "fgont@si6networks.com" <fgont@si6networks.com>
Subject: Re: [OPSEC] [v6ops] Asking for a review of draft-ietf-opsec-v6-08
X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: opsec wg mailing list <opsec.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/opsec>, <mailto:opsec-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/opsec/>
List-Post: <mailto:opsec@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:opsec-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsec>, <mailto:opsec-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 02:12:13 -0000

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Erik Kline <ek@google.com> wrote:

> Section 2.1.2 is far too permissive for my tastes.  We need to be able
> to say that ULA+IPv6 NAT is NOT RECOMMENDED by the IETF.
>

+1. I recall long queues at the mike at IETF 94 saying that.


> Section 2.6.1.5 could punch up the SAVI stuff a bit more as well.  We
> should, in my opinion, make it painfully clear that DHCP (of any
> protocol) in the absence of link-layer security/auditability features
> does not provide any satisfactory way "to ensure audibility and
> traceability" [Section 2.1.6].


+1. Instead of the text you have here, I would suggest citing section 9.1
of draft-ietf-v6ops-host-addr-availability, which deals with the problem in
detail.