Re: [PANRG] PANRG@IETF111: Call for presentations

[Jen Linkova <[e-mail]>]

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 10:17 PM Spencer Dawkins at IETF
<[e-mail]> wrote:
> This isn't quite a request for a slot from me (that might still happen, on a related topic),
>but Lorenzo Colitti and Tommy Pauly gave an excellent presentation in INTAREA at IETF 110 (slides at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/110/materials/slides-110-intarea-per-app-networking-considerations-01) on *cnsiderations for* application aware networking (and I'm already seeing specific proposals for APN on agenda requests for IETF 111, so it will be back).
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> I thought this presentation had considerable overlap with the two hardest problems that we've identified in our work, and asked
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> is that engineering or research? people should be crisp on whether this is ready for engineering yet. I recognize that people are engineering solutions in this space now, that's not my question. PANRG (in the IRTF) has been looking at impediments to deployment in the past (in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-panrg-what-not-to-do/), and trust (whether hosts trusting the network or the network trusting hosts) has been the one consideration that seems intractable.
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> Tommy: answered
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> 3 different legs: one belongs to IAB for the overall architecture, one is still research in solution space, that's trust between those nodes; and here: what are we doing today? tools we have, ways we think are bad to use those tools
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> Do the chairs have any objection to my asking Lorenzo and Tommy (cc:-ed) to talk about this in PANRG at IETF 111?

[the chair hat's on] I think it's a brilliant idea, thanks a lot for
suggesting this, Spencer!

> I know APN isn't particularly in scope for us, but IRTF RGs do have some latitude that IETF WGs don't have, by design.

Well, I'd say that APN is often perceived as having some overlap with
the PAN problem space...

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