Re: [pcp] Revising PANA side-by-side approach
Yoshihiro Ohba <yoshihiro.ohba@toshiba.co.jp> Fri, 05 October 2012 14:37 UTC
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Subject: Re: [pcp] Revising PANA side-by-side approach
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Hi Margaret, (2012/10/05 22:07), Margaret Wasserman wrote: > Hi Yoshi, > > The concern that I have with this approach is that it seems short-sited to me... > > If we expect PANA to be used as a generic authentication mechanism, rather than being used specifically for network access authentication, I think we need to do two things: > > 1) Provide a clear explanation of what parts of PANA will be used with PCP. For example, the notion of a network access enforcement point doesn't really make sense in a PCP context. I agree that EP is not needed in the context of PCP authentication. We probably do not need to use 'I' (IP Reconfiguration) and 'P' (Ping) flags either. > > 2) Describe a clean mechanism that allows PANA to be used for authentication of other protocols. > > Overloading a single bit in the PCP version field, because it happens to coincide with a flag bit in PANA doesn't seem like a method that will work for other protocols, and I am concerned that it doesn't provide a clean basis for moving forward. The single bit use is specific to PCP. If some other protocol operating over port X wants to multiplex PANA, then a different set of bits may be used for port X. I would like to hear from you if there is a cleaner way. Yoshihiro Ohba > Margaret > > > On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:18 PM, Yoshihiro Ohba wrote: > >> Since PCP Version 0 is used by draft-cheshire-nat-pmp, I plan to >> revise PANA side-by-side approach I-D (draft-ohba-pcp-pana) to use >> Bit 0 instead of Bits 5-6-7. The new logic is that when bit 0 is 1 it's >> PANA, >> otherwise it's PCP and alike. If there is an issue with the new logic, >> please let me know. >> >> I also plan to submit PANA encasulation approach as a separate I-D >> before the next interim meeting. >> >> Regards, >> Yoshihiro Ohba >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pcp mailing list >> pcp@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcp >
- [pcp] Revising PANA side-by-side approach Yoshihiro Ohba
- Re: [pcp] Revising PANA side-by-side approach Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Revising PANA side-by-side approach Yoshihiro Ohba
- Re: [pcp] Revising PANA side-by-side approach Alper Yegin
- Re: [pcp] Revising PANA side-by-side approach Sam Hartman
- Re: [pcp] Revising PANA side-by-side approach Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [pcp] Revising PANA side-by-side approach Yoshihiro Ohba
- Re: [pcp] Revising PANA side-by-side approach Alper Yegin
- Re: [pcp] Revising PANA side-by-side approach Rafa Marin Lopez