[perpass] Crypto Won’t Save You Either

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 16 May 2014 20:30 UTC

Return-Path: <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D391A015F for <perpass@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 16 May 2014 13:30:01 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: 0.199
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SZKdJO7_njIx for <perpass@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 16 May 2014 13:29:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-pb0-x236.google.com (mail-pb0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B485B1A01EE for <perpass@ietf.org>; Fri, 16 May 2014 13:29:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id jt11so3077818pbb.27 for <perpass@ietf.org>; Fri, 16 May 2014 13:29:52 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sku6/oywaeIWZLqCLVR9Sjr4QTA3VICyxg327mWvOBk=; b=gDXcgY0HmF4M2njOEmT5nwi32k/QiWtYru3j3z4UeufbQStII1+J0DLYyAVaYHK5Ki PkVEbu4roDYoHKbq2FnNVC8adwKZqrWLzka+WkRH29dJJCOw/hKkJkJNgUhcjOFp0hps WFz8Gundlrin6LFxMwP1pGO3+w+++mVOLpwsRYy59hxKS3syhWE80SXfWUlov3Jtd9Vg SiOBP90tvcOjTRV6nH6dcpadAuVU8MADh06HPRX9tHn2MLBiYLw/hRSj6Z1O0/CqKjDc U0/6P592Er2A00BLsqr8pkhHn9PfrGyBwpcyiY2lQ/d4Mp+PQs9Cp579pxJxaeByuU/D QIDA==
X-Received: by 10.66.180.141 with SMTP id do13mr23819476pac.93.1400272191864; Fri, 16 May 2014 13:29:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.178.20] (99.199.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz. [111.69.199.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ay3sm16108855pbb.62.2014.05.16.13.29.50 for <perpass@ietf.org> (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 16 May 2014 13:29:51 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <53767549.4090806@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 08:30:01 +1200
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Organization: University of Auckland
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: perpass@ietf.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/perpass/cuSBPJIIPXKm_ng6Z1OSUSjaaco
Subject: [perpass] Crypto Won’t Save You Either
X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " <perpass.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/perpass>, <mailto:perpass-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/perpass/>
List-Post: <mailto:perpass@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:perpass-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/perpass>, <mailto:perpass-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 20:30:01 -0000

I've been waiting for Peter Gutmann's slides to appear on line
since I first saw them some months ago. Well worth studying:

http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/05/16/0955_peter_gutmann.pdf

Favourite quotes: "It's probably at least some sort of sign
of the end times when your conference badge has a rootkit."

"There were so many other ways to render DKIM ineffective
that no-one bothered attacking the crypto."

News story:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/16/kiwi_prof_calls_bunk_on_nsaproof_tech_says_crypto_is_enough/

Regards
   Brian