Re: [Pesci-discuss] Hoping Pesci is still flopping around...

Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com> Thu, 12 January 2006 11:36 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Pesci-discuss] Hoping Pesci is still flopping around...
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Just tell me what's missing or obsolete at
http://www.ietf.org/u/ietfchair/opNotes.html

No CVS or RSS there of course, but it is an attempt at
collecting such stuff in one place.

    Brian


Spencer Dawkins wrote:
> From: "Harald Tveit Alvestrand" <harald@alvestrand.no>
> 
>> --On onsdag, januar 11, 2006 08:13:57 -0600 Spencer Dawkins 
>> <spencer@mcsr-labs.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure if this is in-scope for PESCI or not...
>>
>>
>> ... but there are sensible people on this list, so let's just chat....
>>
>> I'd LOVE to have a specification for a publication mechanism that allows:
>>
>> - the leadership to publish a revised version "whenever they have to"
>> - me to get at the current version extremely easily
>> - me to be notified when it changes (announcement, RSS, changelog...)
>> - me to be able to get at any older version with a little dilligence
> 
> 
> As Harald says in the following text, I think the technical problems are 
> solveable (now that we aren't in the CNRI vortex on tool development, 
> especially - not that this would be trivial, but that it would be doable).
> 
> I suspect that there are some publications that should be revises 
> frequently, and others that should not, and I'm not sure that I know the 
> complete list of either. I suspect that this overlaps the principles 
> versus procedures/mechanisms discussion that we need to have about the 
> PESCI draft. But I'm pretty sure that if we can figure out what the 
> right thing to do is, we can make it happen.
> 
>> A set of web pages with CVS version control, links to previous 
>> versions and an open subscription "notification" mailing list would 
>> satisfy approx 95% of my needs....
>> (I run a CVS with a notifier script; I'm pretty sure the web interface 
>> part exists too).
>>
>> SHOULD be easy to set up....
> 
> 
> And would be better than the random collection of web pages that we 
> point people to in the tutorials, to take one example (I have not a lot 
> of confidence that I'm pointing to all of the useful ones, and only 
> somewhat more confidence that I am pointing to the most current text in 
> each case, since when we decide to start squirreling stuff away on 
> websites, we don't pick a default "right location"...)
> 
> For an exercise for the reader - find a smart person at your company who 
> doesn't participate in the IETF and ask them if there is an IETF policy 
> on timing of interim meetings, and where it might be. And how sure they 
> are that the one they find in Google represents current IESG practice in 
> approving interim meetings :-)
> 
>>                        Harald 
> 
> 
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