Re: Current status of CRL validation ?
Ed Gerck <egerck@nma.com> Wed, 31 March 2004 01:03 UTC
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Julien, Yes, a PKIX cert is either revoked or not. Yes, this is strictly enforceable in X.509 because: (a) a cert has only one issuer and, (b) only that issuer of the cert can revoke the cert. However, X.509 is unable to allow a RP to measure with any desired confidence (i.e., desired by the RP) whether a cert is revoked or not. This is due to several unsolvable problems in the X.509/PKIX framework [1]. For example, there may be a considerable delay (no warranties on the CAs CPSs can be found on upper limits for such delays) between the actual need to revoke a certificate and the reflection of this need in a certificate chain with different CAs. Further, the major X.509 security application today, SSL, still does not check revocation lists or any other revocation mechanisms -- so they are near to useless. Also, the user is not able to check server certificates (and certificates in the CA chains) against revocation lists. Moreover, PKIX/X.509 revocation is a "will" to revoke but not an actual revocation. Few recognize, as you have now hit, that cert revocation in PKIX/X.509 is a solution to a non-existent problem ... while the real problem is left utterly unsolved. The non-existent problem solved by PKIX/X.509 cert revocation is how to communicate that a certificate is no longer valid ... because if a certificate were really no longer valid (as it should be) then no one would need to find the cert revocation to know about it. Cheers, Ed Gerck [1] http://nma.com/mcg-mirror/cert.htm
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