Re: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length restriction
Alexander Mayrhofer <axelm@nic.at> Thu, 29 September 2005 15:59 UTC
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The clIDType is defined as: Scott, James, please excuse my ignorance - i was indeed refering to the contact client id. Thanks for your input. cheers axelm Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8TF9P5Q018650 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:09:25 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8TF9PK9020048 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:09:25 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from peregrine.verisign.com (peregrine.verisign.com [216.168.239.74]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8TF9Ots000414 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:09:24 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dul1wnexcn02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.139]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8TFI1lh004422; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:18:01 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.134]) by dul1wnexcn02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:09:23 -0400 Received: from 10.131.29.3 ([10.131.29.3]) by dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.134]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:09:23 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.0.050811 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:09:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length restriction From: James Gould <jgould@verisign.com> To: Alexander Mayrhofer <axelm@nic.at>, <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Message-ID: <BF617BE1.B399%jgould@verisign.com> Thread-Topic: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length restriction Thread-Index: AcXFB8T4A3E14jD7Edq/MwARJHiCug== In-Reply-To: <433BF9DC.2080505@nic.at> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2005 15:09:23.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6920B30:01C5C507] Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Alex, Are you referring to the length of the contact client id or the length of the roid? The clIDType is defined as: <simpleType name="clIDType"> <restriction base="token"> <minLength value="3"/> <maxLength value="16"/> </restriction> </simpleType> The roidType is defined as: <simpleType name="roidType"> <restriction base="token"> <pattern value="(\w|_){1,80}-\w{1,8}"/> </restriction> </simpleType> The EPP roidType supports your format, but the client id's would have to be between 3 and 16 characters. We didn't have a migration issue to deal with. My recommendation is to use the prefix values (AMFR12011011) or something else as the client id's and use the full object id (AMFR12011011-NICAT) as the roid. -- JG James F. Gould VeriSign Naming and Directory Services jgould@verisign.com This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any unauthorized use, distribution, or disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify sender immediately and destroy/delete the original transmission > From: Alexander Mayrhofer <axelm@nic.at> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:27:40 +0200 > To: <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> > Subject: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length restriction > > > We are currently evaluating EPP to replace our email based provisioning > system in our ccTLD registry (.at) > > One of the (surprisingly few remaining) issues we encountered is that > handles for our contact objects extend beyond the 16-character limit of EPP > repository object id's (we have handles like "AMFR12011011-NICAT". We don't > want to change or even drop the suffix on our object identifiers (because > all of our registrars would have to do the same in their internal databases) > so our only option now seems to go for either an extension of some kind, or > to completely replace contact & domain mapping with our local mappings. > > The different roid length would then be the only essential difference > between stock and local mappings, so we'd like to avoid that. > > Questions: > > - Did any other registry operators already encounter this, or are we the > only ones who use "oversized" handles (i can't believe that)? > - Should therefore the length restriction be extended (to eg. 32 characters) > in the "refurbished" drafts to safely avoid such problems? > > any comments appreciated. > > Alex Mayrhofer > nic.at > Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8TEuEmv017446 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:56:14 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8TEuEcj003949 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:56:14 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from peregrine.verisign.com (peregrine.verisign.com [216.168.239.74]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8TEuCSW019792 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:56:13 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.138]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8TF4lS8003827; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:04:47 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.134]) by dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:56:10 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length restriction Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:56:01 -0400 Message-ID: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07E8487B@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length restriction Thread-Index: AcXFBFyJCYh7uDcbQiC9dYi6MPJoqAAAGoZA From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> To: "Alexander Mayrhofer" <axelm@nic.at>, <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2005 14:56:10.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDAB6BF0:01C5C505] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.cafax.se id j8TEuDSW012358 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se > [mailto:owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se] On Behalf Of Alexander Mayrhofer > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:28 AM > To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se > Subject: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length restriction > > > We are currently evaluating EPP to replace our email based > provisioning > system in our ccTLD registry (.at) > > One of the (surprisingly few remaining) issues we encountered is that > handles for our contact objects extend beyond the > 16-character limit of EPP > repository object id's (we have handles like > "AMFR12011011-NICAT". We don't > want to change or even drop the suffix on our object > identifiers (because > all of our registrars would have to do the same in their > internal databases) > so our only option now seems to go for either an extension of > some kind, or > to completely replace contact & domain mapping with our local > mappings. > > The different roid length would then be the only essential difference > between stock and local mappings, so we'd like to avoid that. > > Questions: > > - Did any other registry operators already encounter this, or > are we the > only ones who use "oversized" handles (i can't believe that)? > - Should therefore the length restriction be extended (to eg. > 32 characters) > in the "refurbished" drafts to safely avoid such problems? > > any comments appreciated. Alex, the local part of a repository object ID (ROID) can be up to 80 characters in length. The IANA-registered repository identifier part of the ROID is limited to 8 characters. Here's the regex pattern from the schema: <pattern value="(\w|_){1,80}-\w{1,8}"/> If you're instead talking about the <contact:id> element (the one with a minimum length of 3 characters and a maximum length of 16 characters), that's intended to be a slightly more human-friendly string. It shouldn't necessarily map to whatever local handles you're using given that the ROID can be used for that purpose. Are you not using the ROID? -Scott- Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8TESGb7012575 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:28:16 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8TESGtn006128 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:28:16 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from kahua.nona.net (my.nona.net [193.80.224.122]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8TESFnh008755 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:28:15 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.10.0.63] (nat.labs.nic.at [::ffff:83.136.33.3]) (AUTH: PLAIN axelm, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by kahua with esmtp; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:28:14 +0200 id 0002BF3D.433BF9FE.00007AC1 Message-ID: <433BF9DC.2080505@nic.at> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:27:40 +0200 From: Alexander Mayrhofer <axelm@nic.at> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length restriction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk We are currently evaluating EPP to replace our email based provisioning system in our ccTLD registry (.at) One of the (surprisingly few remaining) issues we encountered is that handles for our contact objects extend beyond the 16-character limit of EPP repository object id's (we have handles like "AMFR12011011-NICAT". We don't want to change or even drop the suffix on our object identifiers (because all of our registrars would have to do the same in their internal databases) so our only option now seems to go for either an extension of some kind, or to completely replace contact & domain mapping with our local mappings. The different roid length would then be the only essential difference between stock and local mappings, so we'd like to avoid that. Questions: - Did any other registry operators already encounter this, or are we the only ones who use "oversized" handles (i can't believe that)? - Should therefore the length restriction be extended (to eg. 32 characters) in the "refurbished" drafts to safely avoid such problems? any comments appreciated. 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The text, > > no ? :-) > > During the drafting process Scott published the corresponding schema. I was speaking about other RFCs, either not using XML at all, or before XML existed and became widespread for protocols. I know that I probably should have followed the well known rule that the code (here the XML schema) is more authoritative than the documentation (here the text), but I'm still a newbie here. Of course, I have noone to blame, except me, and I just hope things will be even better in the next iteration, with this discrepancy removed so that my error will benefit others. -- Patrick Mevzek Dot and Co <http://www.dotandco.com/> Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KMadro000042 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:36:39 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8KMadha011229 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:36:39 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from nic-naa.net ([65.99.1.129]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KMabA0016920 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:36:38 +0200 (MEST) Received: from nic-naa.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic-naa.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j8KG6CvO071080; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:06:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brunner@nic-naa.net) Message-Id: <200509201606.j8KG6CvO071080@nic-naa.net> To: Patrick Mevzek <provreg@contact.dotandco.com> cc: ietf-provreg@cafax.se, brunner@nic-naa.net Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:23:40 +0200." <20050920222340.GB16526@nohope.patoche.org> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:06:12 -0400 From: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine <brunner@nic-naa.net> Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk > And when XML did not exist, what was normative in the RFC ? The text, > no ? :-) During the drafting process Scott published the corresponding schema. Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KMNgPP023876 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:23:42 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8KMNghQ013066 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:23:42 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from nohope.patoche.org ([62.160.23.78]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KMNfnh015134 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:23:41 +0200 (MEST) Received: from nohope.patoche.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nohope.patoche.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j8KMNejs018505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:23:40 +0200 Received: (from patrick@localhost) by nohope.patoche.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j8KMNe1p018503; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:23:40 +0200 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:23:40 +0200 From: Patrick Mevzek <provreg@contact.dotandco.com> To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps Message-ID: <20050920222340.GB16526@nohope.patoche.org> References: <200509201558.j8KFwiEY070956@nic-naa.net> <E1EHq9c-0003pA-UI@mail.libertyrms.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <E1EHq9c-0003pA-UI@mail.libertyrms.com> X-PGP-KeyID: A241FB6B X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9DA9 5054 7A5D 03FC A9AD 9AFF 1371 9F06 A241 FB6B X-Request-PGP: http://www.keyserver.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xA241FB6B Organization: Dot And Co User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Michael Young <myoung@ca.afilias.info> 2005-09-21 00:08 > Scott looks like you have a significant group saying don't version - I will > defer to the collective given that clearly no one wants the hassle of a > version change. > > Patrick I still think you have a point but it seems like not a strong enough > one for this audience. I have no problem with that, and did not want to cause so much trouble. I have read and implemented the documents in one way, others in another. I will change my software to accomodate both cases, and future version of documents will be more clear, which will be a benefit for everyone. Sorry not to have spotted this discrepancy way earlier, I'm kind of always late, and sorry for the trouble. Just for information: > > All having a minOccurs=0 attribute means that all are optional. This > > is part of the error in 3731. The schema correctly says they don't > > need to be there. The text does. The text is wrong. > > Agree. Schema is normative. And when XML did not exist, what was normative in the RFC ? The text, no ? :-) > > It might indeed cause a problem for a > > server written to the old text. > > A problem only for server(s) written (imprudently) to the (non-normative) > text. Since it is nowhere written that some part is less normative than another, I believe it to be risky to say something is imprudent. This is another reason for interoperability tests :-) -- Patrick Mevzek Dot and Co <http://www.dotandco.com/> Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KM00Lx003263 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:00:00 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8KM00if016547 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:00:00 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62] (may be forged)) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KLxwFn008342 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:59:59 +0200 (MEST) Received: from michael-vpn.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.7.27] helo=DUN911) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1EHq9c-0003pA-UI; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:59:56 -0400 From: "Michael Young" <myoung@ca.afilias.info> To: "'Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine'" <brunner@nic-naa.net>, "'Hollenbeck, Scott'" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> Cc: "'Patrick Mevzek'" <provreg@contact.dotandco.com>, <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:59:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <200509201558.j8KFwiEY070956@nic-naa.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcW+LIw0TvNEhnqDRXOwk/e4h8ykDgAAJPyw Message-Id: <E1EHq9c-0003pA-UI@mail.libertyrms.com> X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: myoung@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Scott looks like you have a significant group saying don't version - I will defer to the collective given that clearly no one wants the hassle of a version change. Patrick I still think you have a point but it seems like not a strong enough one for this audience. Best Michael Young -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se [mailto:owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se] On Behalf Of Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 11:59 AM To: Hollenbeck, Scott Cc: Patrick Mevzek; ietf-provreg@cafax.se; brunner@nic-naa.net Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps > All having a minOccurs=0 attribute means that all are optional. This > is part of the error in 3731. The schema correctly says they don't > need to be there. The text does. The text is wrong. Agree. Schema is normative. > It might indeed cause a problem for a > server written to the old text. A problem only for server(s) written (imprudently) to the (non-normative) text. > My barometer for version change has always been schema change. Agree. Delta text, not version identifier and definitely not schema. Cheers, Eric Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KLh6DB002978 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:43:06 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8KLh6l7022004 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:43:06 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from nic-naa.net ([65.99.1.129]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KLh5kd003007 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:43:05 +0200 (MEST) Received: from nic-naa.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic-naa.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j8KFwiEY070956; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:58:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brunner@nic-naa.net) Message-Id: <200509201558.j8KFwiEY070956@nic-naa.net> To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> cc: "Patrick Mevzek" <provreg@contact.dotandco.com>, ietf-provreg@cafax.se, brunner@nic-naa.net Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:32:16 EDT." <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07E20F99@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:58:44 -0400 From: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine <brunner@nic-naa.net> Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk > All having a minOccurs=0 attribute means that all are optional. This is > part of the error in 3731. The schema correctly says they don't need to > be there. The text does. The text is wrong. Agree. Schema is normative. > It might indeed cause a problem for a > server written to the old text. A problem only for server(s) written (imprudently) to the (non-normative) text. > My barometer for version change has always been schema change. Agree. Delta text, not version identifier and definitely not schema. Cheers, Eric Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KKtSCJ027429 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:55:28 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8KKtSGo027048 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:55:28 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from ogud.com (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KKtQOw026440 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:55:27 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.31.32.86] (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KKtGTW085089; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:55:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <a06200700bf56277607d6@[10.31.39.60]> In-Reply-To: <BF55C031.B0AD%jgould@verisign.com> References: <BF55C031.B0AD%jgould@verisign.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:55:25 -0400 To: <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> From: Edward Lewis <Ed.Lewis@Neustar.biz> Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps Cc: ed.lewis@Neustar.biz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk At 13:33 -0400 9/20/05, James Gould wrote: >My vote is to leave the protocol version and schemas as is and change the >specification text as proposed. Ditto. I talked it over with our coders and they agree with this. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar If you knew what I was thinking, you'd understand what I was saying. Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KKIVlJ017487 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:18:31 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8KKIV4l008563 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:18:31 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62] (may be forged)) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KKIU7x012397 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:18:30 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dba3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.12] helo=dba3.int.libertyrms.info ident=postfix) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1EHoZQ-0008Uh-TV for ietf-provreg@cafax.se; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:18:28 -0400 Received: by dba3.int.libertyrms.info (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 869B513744; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:18:15 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan <andrew@ca.afilias.info> To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps Message-ID: <20050920201815.GL22477@libertyrms.info> Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan <andrew@ca.afilias.info> Mail-Followup-To: Andrew Sullivan <andrew@ca.afilias.info>, ietf-provreg@cafax.se References: <BF55C031.B0AD%jgould@verisign.com> <E1EHmHP-0003aR-SU@mail.libertyrms.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <E1EHmHP-0003aR-SU@mail.libertyrms.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@libertyrms.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 01:51:35PM -0400, Michael Young wrote: > The biggest thing to avoid for everyone was having to run a dual protocol > server but I don't see that this would be necessary with this version > increment, given the nature of the changes. Like Michael, I'm of two minds about the change; but I have doubts about the claim above. A version number change is an automatic client-server incompatibility, if I understand the documents correctly, so it will either require a flag day upgrade or some sort of dual-protocol support. For ICANN-regulated registries, the decision might be made by the GNSO instead of the registry, too, so there are some pretty powerful external reasons to prefer leaving the version number alone. (That doesn't mean that we should prefer it; it's just a consideration.) I think the most principled stand might come from the answer to the question, "What part of the RFC is 'most normative'?" If the XML schema is definitive, and overrules the text where there is disagreement, then we have an easy answer. If the _text_ is definitive, and the XML is mere formalization, then we have a harder time. Perhaps there are others who have more experience, and are aware of cases where this sort of text/formalization inconsistency has been solved before (and how). I don't know of any precedents. A -- ---- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada <andrew@ca.afilias.info> M2P 2A8 +1 416 646 3304 x4110 Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KHpkSU023720 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:51:46 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8KHpkK8007607 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:51:46 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62] (may be forged)) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KHpjre016604 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:51:45 +0200 (MEST) Received: from roaming7.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.237] helo=DUN911) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1EHmHP-0003aR-SU; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:51:43 -0400 From: "Michael Young" <myoung@ca.afilias.info> To: "'James Gould'" <jgould@verisign.com>, "'Hollenbeck, Scott'" <shollenbeck@verisign.com>, "'Patrick Mevzek'" <provreg@contact.dotandco.com>, <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:51:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <BF55C031.B0AD%jgould@verisign.com> Thread-Index: AcW+CcPdEtfQiHCsQeW6kdRgt9gccAAAO6/w Message-Id: <E1EHmHP-0003aR-SU@mail.libertyrms.com> X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: myoung@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Well I am rather torn on the subject, on one hand I agree with James and Janusz that it does entail more effort and is it worth it? On the other hand Patrick's argument that the change could break existing server/client behavior hasn't been adequately refuted in my opinion. So Scott I guess I would say that the "safest" choice is to increment the version number. The changes required for existing server and client implementations are trivial to conform with this version change. As Janusz stated, the changes in the documents are going to lead to server changes for some implementers anyways. The biggest thing to avoid for everyone was having to run a dual protocol server but I don't see that this would be necessary with this version increment, given the nature of the changes. Michael Young -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se [mailto:owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se] On Behalf Of James Gould Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 1:34 PM To: Hollenbeck, Scott; Patrick Mevzek; ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps In reviewing this thread, I don't believe there is a need for a protocol version number change considering the lack of severity of this issue and the impact of a version number change on existing implementations. Bumping the protocol version should be reserved for changes that require XML schema updates. Technically the server should return an error with an empty update according to the current specification, but in reality there is no real harm in the server accepting an empty update since the net effect is that no change will occur. I don't know any client that would intentionally send an empty update with the expectation of an error response. The only time an empty update is utilized is in support of new extension operations like the restore request in RFC 3915. Our implementation does allow for an empty update to conform to the extension specifications, so the new text will match our implementation. My vote is to leave the protocol version and schemas as is and change the specification text as proposed. -- JG James F. Gould VeriSign Naming and Directory Services jgould@verisign.com This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any unauthorized use, distribution, or disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify sender immediately and destroy/delete the original transmission > From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:32:16 -0400 > To: Patrick Mevzek <provreg@contact.dotandco.com>, > <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> > Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se >> [mailto:owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se] On Behalf Of Patrick Mevzek >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:34 AM >> To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se >> Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps >> >> Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com> 2005-09-20 16:14 >>>> There are minor incompatibilites between the two (among >> which how to >>>> fill <domain:update> in case of an extension), so it >> seems worthwile >>>> to me to be able to clearly separates between the two, as some >>>> servers will implement one version, and some will implement the >>>> other. >>> >>> Given that the schemas have not changed, and the version numbers >>> identify the namespaces and schemas, I don't see the need >> to increment >>> the version numbers. Anything that was working a certain way before >>> should continue to work the same way with the proposed text changes. >> >> I believe not, or there is something I do not understand, so please >> correct me. >> >> The current RFC, mandates something in domain:update, either add, rem >> or chg. >> (btw the schema does not seem to reflect that if I read it correctly, >> as all three elements are in a sequence with minOccurs=0) For an >> extension, there is thus the need of an empty domain:chg with true >> changes in the extension part. > > All having a minOccurs=0 attribute means that all are optional. This > is part of the error in 3731. The schema correctly says they don't > need to be there. The text does. The text is wrong. > > If a client send an empty element and an extension element as > described in the old text, the server should do nothing with the empty > element because the "real" update is described in the extension. > That's still the case with the new text, except that the new text now > accurately reflects what's in the schema. It might indeed cause a > problem for a server written to the old text. > >> Your third point in 3731bis states: >> 3. Changed text in Section 3.2.1.4 from "At least one <domain:add>, >> <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At >> least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element >> MUST be provided if the command is not being extended. All of >> these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is >> present.". >> >> This means to me that an empty domain:chg is not needed anymore in >> domain:update if there is an extension in use during the >> domain:update > > Correct. Sending one is a no-op; it's not needed. > >> As examples, see RFC3915 : >> C: <update> >> C: <domain:update >> C: xmlns:domain="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0" >> C: xsi:schemaLocation="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0 >> C: domain-1.0.xsd"> >> C: <domain:name>example.com</domain:name> >> C: <domain:chg/> >> C: </domain:update> >> C: </update> >> C: <extension> >> [..] >> >> and compare it to draft-hollenbeck-epp-secdns-08.txt : >> C: <update> >> C: <domain:update >> C: xmlns:domain="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0" >> C: xsi:schemaLocation="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0 >> C: domain-1.0.xsd"> >> C: <domain:name>example.com</domain:name> >> C: </domain:update> >> C: </update> >> C: <extension> >> [..] >> >> >> My current understanding is that RFC3915 is indeed correct related to >> the current RFC3731, and not secdns-08, but after the changes in >> rfc3731bis, secdns-08 is correct, and the empty domain:chg in rfc3915 >> can be removed. >> >> However in the mean time, a server using rfc3731 and enforcing the >> rule: >> "At least one <domain:add>, >> <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." >> will reject a change as done in the secdns-08 example. > > It shouldn't necessarily reject the change. There's an error in 3731 > because the schema allows the element to be omitted and the text > doesn't. This is clearly an inconsistency and I'll admit that a > version change might help isolate the inconsistency. > >> So a client connecting to a RFC3731 or RFC3731bis server should act >> in two different ways, hence my request to be able to separate >> automatically those two cases. > > Depends on if you implemented to the text or to the schema. A server > implemented to the schema is unaffected. It WILL, however, be > affected if we change the version number. > > My barometer for version change has always been schema change. Change > the schema, change the version number. This situation presents a bit > of a problem, though, because the text change can definitely have an > impact on server software that deals with extensions. > > I don't know which solution is appropriate in this case, so I'll ask: > what would be the impact to existing extension implementations if the > domain, host, and contact version numbers were incremented? What > would other implementers prefer to do? > > -Scott- > > Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KHXWZt011212 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:33:32 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8KHXWF0012195 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:33:32 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from peregrine.verisign.com (peregrine.verisign.com [216.168.239.74]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KHXVdI016817 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:33:31 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.113]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KHeNwN015296; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:40:23 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.134]) by dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:33:30 -0400 Received: from 10.131.29.3 ([10.131.29.3]) by dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.134]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:33:29 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:33:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps From: James Gould <jgould@verisign.com> To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com>, Patrick Mevzek <provreg@contact.dotandco.com>, <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Message-ID: <BF55C031.B0AD%jgould@verisign.com> In-Reply-To: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07E20F99@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2005 17:33:30.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A9AA530:01C5BE09] Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk In reviewing this thread, I don't believe there is a need for a protocol version number change considering the lack of severity of this issue and the impact of a version number change on existing implementations. Bumping the protocol version should be reserved for changes that require XML schema updates. Technically the server should return an error with an empty update according to the current specification, but in reality there is no real harm in the server accepting an empty update since the net effect is that no change will occur. I don't know any client that would intentionally send an empty update with the expectation of an error response. The only time an empty update is utilized is in support of new extension operations like the restore request in RFC 3915. Our implementation does allow for an empty update to conform to the extension specifications, so the new text will match our implementation. My vote is to leave the protocol version and schemas as is and change the specification text as proposed. -- JG James F. Gould VeriSign Naming and Directory Services jgould@verisign.com This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any unauthorized use, distribution, or disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify sender immediately and destroy/delete the original transmission > From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:32:16 -0400 > To: Patrick Mevzek <provreg@contact.dotandco.com>, <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> > Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se >> [mailto:owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se] On Behalf Of Patrick Mevzek >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:34 AM >> To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se >> Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps >> >> Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com> 2005-09-20 16:14 >>>> There are minor incompatibilites between the two (among >> which how to >>>> fill <domain:update> in case of an extension), so it >> seems worthwile >>>> to me to be able to clearly separates between the two, as some >>>> servers will implement one version, and some will implement the >>>> other. >>> >>> Given that the schemas have not changed, and the version numbers >>> identify the namespaces and schemas, I don't see the need >> to increment >>> the version numbers. Anything that was working a certain way before >>> should continue to work the same way with the proposed text changes. >> >> I believe not, or there is something I do not understand, so please >> correct me. >> >> The current RFC, mandates something in domain:update, either add, rem >> or chg. >> (btw the schema does not seem to reflect that if I read it correctly, >> as all three elements are in a sequence with minOccurs=0) >> For an extension, there is thus the need of an empty domain:chg with >> true changes in the extension part. > > All having a minOccurs=0 attribute means that all are optional. This is > part of the error in 3731. The schema correctly says they don't need to > be there. The text does. The text is wrong. > > If a client send an empty element and an extension element as described > in the old text, the server should do nothing with the empty element > because the "real" update is described in the extension. That's still > the case with the new text, except that the new text now accurately > reflects what's in the schema. It might indeed cause a problem for a > server written to the old text. > >> Your third point in 3731bis states: >> 3. Changed text in Section 3.2.1.4 from "At least one <domain:add>, >> <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At >> least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element >> MUST be provided if the command is not being extended. All of >> these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is >> present.". >> >> This means to me that an empty domain:chg is not needed anymore in >> domain:update if there is an extension in use during the >> domain:update > > Correct. Sending one is a no-op; it's not needed. > >> As examples, see RFC3915 : >> C: <update> >> C: <domain:update >> C: xmlns:domain="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0" >> C: xsi:schemaLocation="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0 >> C: domain-1.0.xsd"> >> C: <domain:name>example.com</domain:name> >> C: <domain:chg/> >> C: </domain:update> >> C: </update> >> C: <extension> >> [..] >> >> and compare it to draft-hollenbeck-epp-secdns-08.txt : >> C: <update> >> C: <domain:update >> C: xmlns:domain="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0" >> C: xsi:schemaLocation="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0 >> C: domain-1.0.xsd"> >> C: <domain:name>example.com</domain:name> >> C: </domain:update> >> C: </update> >> C: <extension> >> [..] >> >> >> My current understanding is that RFC3915 is indeed correct related to >> the current RFC3731, and not secdns-08, but after the changes in >> rfc3731bis, secdns-08 is correct, and the empty domain:chg in rfc3915 >> can be removed. >> >> However in the mean time, a server using rfc3731 and enforcing the >> rule: >> "At least one <domain:add>, >> <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." >> will reject a change as done in the secdns-08 example. > > It shouldn't necessarily reject the change. There's an error in 3731 > because the schema allows the element to be omitted and the text > doesn't. This is clearly an inconsistency and I'll admit that a version > change might help isolate the inconsistency. > >> So a client connecting to a RFC3731 or RFC3731bis server should act >> in two different ways, hence my request to be able to separate >> automatically those two cases. > > Depends on if you implemented to the text or to the schema. A server > implemented to the schema is unaffected. It WILL, however, be affected > if we change the version number. > > My barometer for version change has always been schema change. Change > the schema, change the version number. This situation presents a bit of > a problem, though, because the text change can definitely have an impact > on server software that deals with extensions. > > I don't know which solution is appropriate in this case, so I'll ask: > what would be the impact to existing extension implementations if the > domain, host, and contact version numbers were incremented? What would > other implementers prefer to do? > > -Scott- > > Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KHIxwD017306 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:18:59 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8KHIwsD017805 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:18:58 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62] (may be forged)) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KHIvBM009272 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:18:58 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dev3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.40] helo=ca.afilias.info) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1EHllf-0002X5-By; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:18:55 -0400 Message-ID: <433044E7.1060106@ca.afilias.info> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:20:39 -0400 From: janusz <janusz@ca.afilias.info> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040413 Debian/1.6-5 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> CC: Patrick Mevzek <provreg@contact.dotandco.com>, ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps References: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07E20F99@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07E20F99@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: janusz@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >My barometer for version change has always been schema change. Change >the schema, change the version number. This situation presents a bit of >a problem, though, because the text change can definitely have an impact >on server software that deals with extensions. > > Impact on EPP clients could be used as addtional measurement tool for version number changes. EPP client implementations should outnumber server implementations by very wide margin. >I don't know which solution is appropriate in this case, so I'll ask: >what would be the impact to existing extension implementations if the >domain, host, and contact version numbers were incremented? What would >other implementers prefer to do? > > > > Impact on existing client EPP implementations can be avoided or limited if version number stays the same. If version number is upgraded then client changes are necessary. Server changes are required regardless whether version is upgraded or not. The scope of server changes is larger in case when version number is incremented. Cheers, Janusz Sienkiewicz Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KGWFmh001807 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:32:15 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8KGWFv6006803 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:32:15 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from peregrine.verisign.com (peregrine.verisign.com [216.168.239.74]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KGWEqW023879 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:32:15 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dul1wnexcn02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.139]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KGd60U013171; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:39:06 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.134]) by dul1wnexcn02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:32:13 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:32:16 -0400 Message-ID: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07E20F99@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps Thread-Index: AcW98s/kqLkttevHTjmRGJKB1wmi/gABJa7Q From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> To: "Patrick Mevzek" <provreg@contact.dotandco.com>, <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2005 16:32:13.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB3ECA90:01C5BE00] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.cafax.se id j8KGWFqW000521 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se > [mailto:owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se] On Behalf Of Patrick Mevzek > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:34 AM > To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se > Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps > > Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com> 2005-09-20 16:14 > > > There are minor incompatibilites between the two (among > which how to > > > fill <domain:update> in case of an extension), so it > seems worthwile > > > to me to be able to clearly separates between the two, as some > > > servers will implement one version, and some will implement the > > > other. > > > > Given that the schemas have not changed, and the version numbers > > identify the namespaces and schemas, I don't see the need > to increment > > the version numbers. Anything that was working a certain way before > > should continue to work the same way with the proposed text changes. > > I believe not, or there is something I do not understand, so please > correct me. > > The current RFC, mandates something in domain:update, either add, rem > or chg. > (btw the schema does not seem to reflect that if I read it correctly, > as all three elements are in a sequence with minOccurs=0) > For an extension, there is thus the need of an empty domain:chg with > true changes in the extension part. All having a minOccurs=0 attribute means that all are optional. This is part of the error in 3731. The schema correctly says they don't need to be there. The text does. The text is wrong. If a client send an empty element and an extension element as described in the old text, the server should do nothing with the empty element because the "real" update is described in the extension. That's still the case with the new text, except that the new text now accurately reflects what's in the schema. It might indeed cause a problem for a server written to the old text. > Your third point in 3731bis states: > 3. Changed text in Section 3.2.1.4 from "At least one <domain:add>, > <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At > least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element > MUST be provided if the command is not being extended. All of > these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is > present.". > > This means to me that an empty domain:chg is not needed anymore in > domain:update if there is an extension in use during the > domain:update Correct. Sending one is a no-op; it's not needed. > As examples, see RFC3915 : > C: <update> > C: <domain:update > C: xmlns:domain="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0" > C: xsi:schemaLocation="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0 > C: domain-1.0.xsd"> > C: <domain:name>example.com</domain:name> > C: <domain:chg/> > C: </domain:update> > C: </update> > C: <extension> > [..] > > and compare it to draft-hollenbeck-epp-secdns-08.txt : > C: <update> > C: <domain:update > C: xmlns:domain="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0" > C: xsi:schemaLocation="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0 > C: domain-1.0.xsd"> > C: <domain:name>example.com</domain:name> > C: </domain:update> > C: </update> > C: <extension> > [..] > > > My current understanding is that RFC3915 is indeed correct related to > the current RFC3731, and not secdns-08, but after the changes in > rfc3731bis, secdns-08 is correct, and the empty domain:chg in rfc3915 > can be removed. > > However in the mean time, a server using rfc3731 and enforcing the > rule: > "At least one <domain:add>, > <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." > will reject a change as done in the secdns-08 example. It shouldn't necessarily reject the change. There's an error in 3731 because the schema allows the element to be omitted and the text doesn't. This is clearly an inconsistency and I'll admit that a version change might help isolate the inconsistency. > So a client connecting to a RFC3731 or RFC3731bis server should act > in two different ways, hence my request to be able to separate > automatically those two cases. Depends on if you implemented to the text or to the schema. A server implemented to the schema is unaffected. It WILL, however, be affected if we change the version number. My barometer for version change has always been schema change. Change the schema, change the version number. This situation presents a bit of a problem, though, because the text change can definitely have an impact on server software that deals with extensions. I don't know which solution is appropriate in this case, so I'll ask: what would be the impact to existing extension implementations if the domain, host, and contact version numbers were incremented? What would other implementers prefer to do? -Scott- Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KEXWWc004214 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:33:32 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8KEXWIq005908 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:33:32 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from nohope.patoche.org ([62.160.23.78]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KEXVUv001302 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:33:32 +0200 (MEST) Received: from nohope.patoche.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nohope.patoche.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j8KEXVKp007878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:33:31 +0200 Received: (from patrick@localhost) by nohope.patoche.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j8KEXV6E007876 for ietf-provreg@cafax.se; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:33:31 +0200 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:33:30 +0200 From: Patrick Mevzek <provreg@contact.dotandco.com> To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps Message-ID: <20050920143330.GF28515@nohope.patoche.org> References: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07E20EFE@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07E20EFE@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-PGP-KeyID: A241FB6B X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9DA9 5054 7A5D 03FC A9AD 9AFF 1371 9F06 A241 FB6B X-Request-PGP: http://www.keyserver.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xA241FB6B Organization: Dot And Co User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com> 2005-09-20 16:14 > > There are minor incompatibilites between the two (among which how to > > fill <domain:update> in case of an extension), so it seems worthwile > > to me to be able to clearly separates between the two, as some > > servers will implement one version, and some will implement the > > other. > > Given that the schemas have not changed, and the version numbers > identify the namespaces and schemas, I don't see the need to increment > the version numbers. Anything that was working a certain way before > should continue to work the same way with the proposed text changes. I believe not, or there is something I do not understand, so please correct me. The current RFC, mandates something in domain:update, either add, rem or chg. (btw the schema does not seem to reflect that if I read it correctly, as all three elements are in a sequence with minOccurs=0) For an extension, there is thus the need of an empty domain:chg with true changes in the extension part. Your third point in 3731bis states: 3. Changed text in Section 3.2.1.4 from "At least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided if the command is not being extended. All of these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is present.". This means to me that an empty domain:chg is not needed anymore in domain:update if there is an extension in use during the domain:update As examples, see RFC3915 : C: <update> C: <domain:update C: xmlns:domain="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0" C: xsi:schemaLocation="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0 C: domain-1.0.xsd"> C: <domain:name>example.com</domain:name> C: <domain:chg/> C: </domain:update> C: </update> C: <extension> [..] and compare it to draft-hollenbeck-epp-secdns-08.txt : C: <update> C: <domain:update C: xmlns:domain="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0" C: xsi:schemaLocation="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0 C: domain-1.0.xsd"> C: <domain:name>example.com</domain:name> C: </domain:update> C: </update> C: <extension> [..] My current understanding is that RFC3915 is indeed correct related to the current RFC3731, and not secdns-08, but after the changes in rfc3731bis, secdns-08 is correct, and the empty domain:chg in rfc3915 can be removed. However in the mean time, a server using rfc3731 and enforcing the rule: "At least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." will reject a change as done in the secdns-08 example. So a client connecting to a RFC3731 or RFC3731bis server should act in two different ways, hence my request to be able to separate automatically those two cases. -- Patrick Mevzek Dot and Co <http://www.dotandco.com/> Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KDqlu3019953 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:52:47 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8KDqlhO015615 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:52:47 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from osprey.verisign.com (osprey.verisign.com [216.168.239.75]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KDqk7R012437 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:52:46 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.138]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KE0opW015339; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:00:50 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.134]) by dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:52:45 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] 3731bis Submitted Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:52:49 -0400 Message-ID: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07E20F19@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ietf-provreg] 3731bis Submitted Thread-Index: AcW96dxYty7TKYCqSU+BnBmS6VtJ9wAAIa9w From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> To: "Patrick Mevzek" <provreg@contact.dotandco.com>, <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2005 13:52:45.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[942FE190:01C5BDEA] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.cafax.se id j8KDql7R014234 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se > [mailto:owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se] On Behalf Of Patrick Mevzek > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:35 AM > To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se > Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] 3731bis Submitted > > Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com> 2005-09-09 20:31 > > 3. Changed text in Section 3.2.1.4 from "At least one <domain:add>, > > <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At > > least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element > > MUST be provided if the command is not being extended. All of > > these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is > > present.". > > After this goes in, should the RFC3915 also be updated, as section > 4.2.5. EPP <update> Command > currently has: > Section 3.2.5 of the EPP domain mapping describes the elements > that have to be specified within an <update> command. The > requirement > to provide at least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> > element is updated by this extension such that at least one empty > <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be > present if this extension is specified within an <update> > command. This > requirement is updated to disallow the possibility of modifying a > domain object as part of redemption grace period recovery > processing. > > > If I understand everything correctly, an empty <domain:update> should > be enough ? Correct. -Scott- Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KDZVwa028041 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:35:31 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8KDZVx9000406 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:35:31 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from nohope.patoche.org ([62.160.23.78]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KDZUjg020904 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:35:30 +0200 (MEST) Received: from nohope.patoche.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nohope.patoche.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j8KDZT6X004611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:35:29 +0200 Received: (from patrick@localhost) by nohope.patoche.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j8KDZTAF004609; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:35:29 +0200 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:35:29 +0200 From: Patrick Mevzek <provreg@contact.dotandco.com> To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] 3731bis Submitted Message-ID: <20050920133529.GE28515@nohope.patoche.org> References: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07D92E11@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07D92E11@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-PGP-KeyID: A241FB6B X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9DA9 5054 7A5D 03FC A9AD 9AFF 1371 9F06 A241 FB6B X-Request-PGP: http://www.keyserver.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xA241FB6B Organization: Dot And Co User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com> 2005-09-09 20:31 > 3. Changed text in Section 3.2.1.4 from "At least one <domain:add>, > <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At > least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element > MUST be provided if the command is not being extended. All of > these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is > present.". After this goes in, should the RFC3915 also be updated, as section 4.2.5. EPP <update> Command currently has: Section 3.2.5 of the EPP domain mapping describes the elements that have to be specified within an <update> command. The requirement to provide at least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element is updated by this extension such that at least one empty <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be present if this extension is specified within an <update> command. This requirement is updated to disallow the possibility of modifying a domain object as part of redemption grace period recovery processing. If I understand everything correctly, an empty <domain:update> should be enough ? -- Patrick Mevzek Dot and Co <http://www.dotandco.com/> Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KDRqXu006559 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:27:52 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8KDRqvj027785 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:27:52 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from osprey.verisign.com (osprey.verisign.com [216.168.239.75]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KDRpMC010575 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:27:51 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.113]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KDZn3p014424; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:35:52 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.134]) by dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:27:45 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:27:49 -0400 Message-ID: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07E20EFE@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps Thread-Index: AcW95PHP7YlJxEHeROWTUhGqV8C9bQAAXBqw From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> To: "Patrick Mevzek" <provreg@contact.dotandco.com>, <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2005 13:27:45.0414 (UTC) FILETIME=[16004A60:01C5BDE7] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.cafax.se id j8KDRpMC014682 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se > [mailto:owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se] On Behalf Of Patrick Mevzek > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 8:50 AM > To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se > Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps > > Hello, > > Sorry not to have responded earlier. > > Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com> 2005-09-13 19:02 > > 1. I need to make a minor edit to the contact (3733bis) and host > > (3732bis) documents to fix one last <poll> use description. > I described > > that fix here [1]. I also need to add a sentence to > 3730bis (EPP core) > > to note that it obsoletes 3730. The references in 3731bis > (domain) will > > need to be updated if 3732bis and 3733bis change. These > are the last > > needed document changes I'm aware of. > > I think it would be good if these new versions got a 1.1 value in the > <version> tag during server greeting as opposed to 1.0 for the > current RFCs. > > There are minor incompatibilites between the two (among which how to > fill <domain:update> in case of an extension), so it seems worthwile > to me to be able to clearly separates between the two, as some > servers will implement one version, and some will implement the > other. Given that the schemas have not changed, and the version numbers identify the namespaces and schemas, I don't see the need to increment the version numbers. Anything that was working a certain way before should continue to work the same way with the proposed text changes. -Scott- Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KCoQvX029462 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:50:26 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8KCoQ5v000883 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:50:26 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from nohope.patoche.org ([62.160.23.78]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8KCoLc9005791 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:50:25 +0200 (MEST) Received: from nohope.patoche.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nohope.patoche.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j8KCoGHG029579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:50:17 +0200 Received: (from patrick@localhost) by nohope.patoche.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j8KCoGcs029577; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:50:16 +0200 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:50:16 +0200 From: Patrick Mevzek <provreg@contact.dotandco.com> To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps Message-ID: <20050920125016.GC28515@nohope.patoche.org> References: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07D9307E@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07D9307E@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-PGP-KeyID: A241FB6B X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9DA9 5054 7A5D 03FC A9AD 9AFF 1371 9F06 A241 FB6B X-Request-PGP: http://www.keyserver.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xA241FB6B Organization: Dot And Co User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Hello, Sorry not to have responded earlier. Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com> 2005-09-13 19:02 > 1. I need to make a minor edit to the contact (3733bis) and host > (3732bis) documents to fix one last <poll> use description. I described > that fix here [1]. I also need to add a sentence to 3730bis (EPP core) > to note that it obsoletes 3730. The references in 3731bis (domain) will > need to be updated if 3732bis and 3733bis change. These are the last > needed document changes I'm aware of. I think it would be good if these new versions got a 1.1 value in the <version> tag during server greeting as opposed to 1.0 for the current RFCs. There are minor incompatibilites between the two (among which how to fill <domain:update> in case of an extension), so it seems worthwile to me to be able to clearly separates between the two, as some servers will implement one version, and some will implement the other. > 2. There are a couple of ways we can create an interop report. We can > start with a template that we ask implementers to complete to describe > their client and server implementation and test experiences. We can > also try to schedule a more-or-less "formal" interop event for people to > test their clients with other participant's servers and vice-versa using > an agreed-upon script. This would require that participants set up > accessible test rigs, but the end results would be more compelling. > > I'd prefer the latter, though I know it's more hands-on work. What do > other implementers think? As I said previously [1], I'm willing to participate in any interop effort by putting on the table an opensource RRP/EPP implementation (which will, btw, in the next version, add 3 EPP extensions: E164, SecDNS and Nsgroup). I'm not sure to be able to travel to remote locations for IETF/ICANN meetings, so if things can be taken mostly online, this would have my preference. This would be my first IETF interoperability tests participation, so count me as a newbie in this activity :-) Patrick. [1] http://www.cafax.se/ietf-provreg/maillist/2005-08/msg00039.html -- Patrick Mevzek <pm@dotandco.com> Dot and Co <http://www.dotandco.com/> Return-Path: <EllenRodriquez@personaltrainingvideos.com> Received: from c-67-176-8-255.hsd1.co.comcast.net (c-67-176-8-255.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.8.255]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j8HGPKwh022612 for <ietf-provreg-logger@cafax.se>; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 18:25:29 +0200 (MEST) Received: from Dqs@localhost by XQ1r.int (8.11.6/8.11.6); Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:39:21 -0700 Message-ID: <bQSe6hFnXHaoldopqWhMe@oxime.net> From: "Helen Clifton" <EllenRodriquez@personaltrainingvideos.com> Reply-To: "Helen Clifton" <EllenRodriquez@personaltrainingvideos.com> To: ietf-provreg-logger@cafax.se Subject: Systemworks & MS 2003 Software Starting at $29 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:34:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2730.2 X-Sender: EllenRodriquez@personaltrainingvideos.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 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urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:24:23 -0400 Message-ID: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07D93088@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps Thread-Index: AcW4Y31t0I+QU4ucSYusdbz736SdXAAANtsgAABoT5A= From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> To: "Michael Young" <myoung@ca.afilias.info>, <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2005 13:24:56.0271 (UTC) FILETIME=[884ADDF0:01C5B866] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.cafax.se id j8DDOveN004809 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Young [mailto:myoung@ca.afilias.info] > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:19 AM > To: Hollenbeck, Scott; ietf-provreg@cafax.se > Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps > > I think the second option would be desirable Scott, but just > to clarify what > you had in mind,....I assume you mean a testbed that > demonstrates compliance > with the core RFC's and not, for example, 3915. Correct. 3915 and other extension documents like 4114 have to go through the same process to advance, but those documents have normative dependencies on the "core" object mappings. We have to do these first. > We could hold a meeting at the next IETF meeting to organize > how we would do > this with interested participants. We could. It might also be worth talking about at a CENTR or ICANN meeting if other implementers can be found there. -Scott- Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8DDIv18020438 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:18:57 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8DDIvUH011001 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:18:57 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62] (may be forged)) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8DDIuTV002481 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:18:57 +0200 (MEST) Received: from roaming7.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.237] helo=DUN911) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1EFAgZ-0007Lz-2Z; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:18:55 -0400 From: "Michael Young" <myoung@ca.afilias.info> To: "'Hollenbeck, Scott'" <shollenbeck@verisign.com>, <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:18:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07D9307E@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Thread-Index: AcW4Y31t0I+QU4ucSYusdbz736SdXAAANtsg Message-Id: <E1EFAgZ-0007Lz-2Z@mail.libertyrms.com> X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: myoung@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk I think the second option would be desirable Scott, but just to clarify what you had in mind,....I assume you mean a testbed that demonstrates compliance with the core RFC's and not, for example, 3915. We could hold a meeting at the next IETF meeting to organize how we would do this with interested participants. Michael Young -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se [mailto:owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se] On Behalf Of Hollenbeck, Scott Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:03 AM To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps Now that all of the EPPbis -00 drafts are published, we need to think about what we do with them. In addition, moving EPP to Draft Standard status requires completion of an interoperability report for the protocol. Here's my take on needed next steps: 1. I need to make a minor edit to the contact (3733bis) and host (3732bis) documents to fix one last <poll> use description. I described that fix here [1]. I also need to add a sentence to 3730bis (EPP core) to note that it obsoletes 3730. The references in 3731bis (domain) will need to be updated if 3732bis and 3733bis change. These are the last needed document changes I'm aware of. 2. There are a couple of ways we can create an interop report. We can start with a template that we ask implementers to complete to describe their client and server implementation and test experiences. We can also try to schedule a more-or-less "formal" interop event for people to test their clients with other participant's servers and vice-versa using an agreed-upon script. This would require that participants set up accessible test rigs, but the end results would be more compelling. I'd prefer the latter, though I know it's more hands-on work. What do other implementers think? -Scott- [1] http://www.cafax.se/ietf-provreg/maillist/2005-09/msg00007.html Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8DD3lMo017205 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:03:47 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8DD3li1006554 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:03:47 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from osprey.verisign.com (osprey.verisign.com [216.168.239.75]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8DD3j2M000435 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:03:46 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.113]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8DDAAR4009040 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:10:11 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.134]) by dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:03:42 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [ietf-provreg] EPP to Draft: Next Steps Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:03:09 -0400 Message-ID: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07D9307E@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EPP to Draft: Next Steps Thread-Index: AcW4Y31t0I+QU4ucSYusdbz736SdXA== From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> To: <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2005 13:03:42.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[91535D80:01C5B863] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.cafax.se id j8DD3k2M022678 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Now that all of the EPPbis -00 drafts are published, we need to think about what we do with them. In addition, moving EPP to Draft Standard status requires completion of an interoperability report for the protocol. Here's my take on needed next steps: 1. I need to make a minor edit to the contact (3733bis) and host (3732bis) documents to fix one last <poll> use description. I described that fix here [1]. I also need to add a sentence to 3730bis (EPP core) to note that it obsoletes 3730. The references in 3731bis (domain) will need to be updated if 3732bis and 3733bis change. These are the last needed document changes I'm aware of. 2. There are a couple of ways we can create an interop report. We can start with a template that we ask implementers to complete to describe their client and server implementation and test experiences. We can also try to schedule a more-or-less "formal" interop event for people to test their clients with other participant's servers and vice-versa using an agreed-upon script. This would require that participants set up accessible test rigs, but the end results would be more compelling. I'd prefer the latter, though I know it's more hands-on work. What do other implementers think? -Scott- [1] http://www.cafax.se/ietf-provreg/maillist/2005-09/msg00007.html Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8CGmAFL008515 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:48:10 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j8CGmAPe013534 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:48:10 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62] (may be forged)) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8CGm9q0017830 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:48:09 +0200 (MEST) Received: from roaming7.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.237] helo=DUN911) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1EErTR-00065r-CK; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:48:05 -0400 From: "Michael Young" <myoung@ca.afilias.info> To: "'Hollenbeck, Scott'" <shollenbeck@verisign.com>, <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] 3731bis Submitted Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:48:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07D92E11@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcW1bCxIebvgmx1ISc+EVHkjGHJ7FwCTV5qA Message-Id: <E1EErTR-00065r-CK@mail.libertyrms.com> X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: myoung@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Scott so far these changes look like they address the raised issues. Thank you for the effort, its much appreciated. Michael Young -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se [mailto:owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se] On Behalf Of Hollenbeck, Scott Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:28 PM To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: [ietf-provreg] 3731bis Submitted I just sent the -00 version of 3731bis to the I-D administrator for publication. Here's the list of changes copied from Appendix A: 1. Minor reformatting as a result of converting I-D source format from nroff to XML. 2. Removed this text from Section 2.3: "With one exception, transform commands MUST be rejected when a pendingCreate, pendingDelete, pendingRenew, pendingTransfer, or pendingUpdate status is set. The only exception is that a <transfer> command to approve, reject, or cancel a transfer MAY be processed while an object is in "pendingTransfer" status." 3. Changed text in Section 3.2.1.4 from "At least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided if the command is not being extended. All of these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is present.". 4. Renumbered old section 3.2.6 to new section 3.3. 5. Changed text in Section 3.3 (old Section 3.2.6) from this: "The server operator reviews the request offline, and informs the client of the outcome of the review by queuing a service message for retrieval via the <poll> command." to this: "The server operator reviews the request offline, and informs the client of the outcome of the review by either queuing a service message for retrieval via the <poll> command or by using an out- of-band mechanism to inform the client of the request." 6. Updated EPP and XML references. I need to make a change to 3732bis and 3733bis to deal with the same text as described above in item #5, but I'll do that after giving people some time to read the documents and check them again. I believe this set of updates (3730bis - 3734bis) captures all of the changes that the members of this mailing list have agreed to. Please let me know if something has been missed. -Scott- Return-Path: <stephen@4dzign.co.uk> Received: from localhost (abx78.internetdsl.tpnet.pl [83.16.49.78]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j8AMm2FZ017957 for <ietf-provreg-logger@cafax.se>; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:48:02 +0200 (MEST) Date: N, 11 wrz 2005 00:48:02 +0100 From: "Frankel"<stephen@4dzign.co.uk> To: <ietf-provreg-logger@cafax.se> Subject: Why seek? Choose any love pi11 you want! 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(peregrine.verisign.com [216.168.239.74]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j89ISCMf028052 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:28:13 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.138]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j89IWomw006379 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:32:50 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.134]) by dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:28:05 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [ietf-provreg] 3731bis Submitted Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:27:45 -0400 Message-ID: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07D92E11@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 3731bis Submitted Thread-Index: AcW1bCxIebvgmx1ISc+EVHkjGHJ7Fw== From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> To: <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2005 18:28:05.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[3848D5C0:01C5B56C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.cafax.se id j89ISDMf029904 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk I just sent the -00 version of 3731bis to the I-D administrator for publication. Here's the list of changes copied from Appendix A: 1. Minor reformatting as a result of converting I-D source format from nroff to XML. 2. Removed this text from Section 2.3: "With one exception, transform commands MUST be rejected when a pendingCreate, pendingDelete, pendingRenew, pendingTransfer, or pendingUpdate status is set. The only exception is that a <transfer> command to approve, reject, or cancel a transfer MAY be processed while an object is in "pendingTransfer" status." 3. Changed text in Section 3.2.1.4 from "At least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At least one <domain:add>, <domain:rem>, or <domain:chg> element MUST be provided if the command is not being extended. All of these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is present.". 4. Renumbered old section 3.2.6 to new section 3.3. 5. Changed text in Section 3.3 (old Section 3.2.6) from this: "The server operator reviews the request offline, and informs the client of the outcome of the review by queuing a service message for retrieval via the <poll> command." to this: "The server operator reviews the request offline, and informs the client of the outcome of the review by either queuing a service message for retrieval via the <poll> command or by using an out- of-band mechanism to inform the client of the request." 6. Updated EPP and XML references. I need to make a change to 3732bis and 3733bis to deal with the same text as described above in item #5, but I'll do that after giving people some time to read the documents and check them again. I believe this set of updates (3730bis - 3734bis) captures all of the changes that the members of this mailing list have agreed to. Please let me know if something has been missed. -Scott- Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j86FEiwY027774 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:14:44 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j86FEi7C027353 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:14:44 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from peregrine.verisign.com (peregrine.verisign.com [216.168.239.74]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j86FEhUC013808 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:14:43 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.113]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j86FIoDb004479 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:18:50 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.134]) by dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:14:42 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [ietf-provreg] 3734bis Submitted Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:14:33 -0400 Message-ID: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07D927AF@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 3734bis Submitted Thread-Index: AcWy9a9zOQN080jZQ9S7Wgx6WJ09uQ== From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> To: <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2005 15:14:42.0637 (UTC) FILETIME=[B52E4FD0:01C5B2F5] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.cafax.se id j86FEiUC017139 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk I just sent the -00 version of 3734bis to the I-D administrator for publication. Here's the list of changes copied from Appendix A: 1. Minor reformatting as a result of converting I-D source format from nroff to XML. 2. Updated EPP references. -Scott- Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j86FE5ws008918 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:14:05 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j86FE5Ba019623 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:14:05 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from osprey.verisign.com (osprey.verisign.com [216.168.239.75]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j86FE4Dh020188 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:14:04 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.138]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j86FIuIp010418 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:18:56 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.134]) by dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:14:03 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [ietf-provreg] 3733bis Submitted Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:13:53 -0400 Message-ID: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07D927AE@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 3733bis Submitted Thread-Index: AcWy9ZgvG+ll0GoRTJCr4Gxwn/QN0Q== From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> To: <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2005 15:14:03.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DFD1DF0:01C5B2F5] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.cafax.se id j86FE4Dh014911 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk I just sent the -00 version of 3733bis to the I-D administrator for publication. Here's the list of changes copied from Appendix A: 1. Minor reformatting as a result of converting I-D source format from nroff to XML. 2. Removed this text from Section 2.2: "With one exception, transform commands MUST be rejected when a pendingCreate, pendingDelete, pendingTransfer, or pendingUpdate status is set. The only exception is that a <transfer> command to approve, reject, or cancel a transfer MAY be processed while an object is in "pendingTransfer" status." 3. Fixed examples in section 2.9 (added missing "/" characters). 4. Fixed the example response in Section 3.2.4 to use the correct response code and response text. 5. Changed text in Section 3.2.5 from "At least one <contact:add>, <contact:rem>, or <contact:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At least one <contact:add>, <contact:rem>, or <contact:chg> element MUST be provided if the command is not being extended. All of these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is present.". 6. Updated EPP and XML references. -Scott- Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j86FCQ70001551 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:12:26 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j86FCQ0G008780 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:12:26 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from osprey.verisign.com (osprey.verisign.com [216.168.239.75]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j86FCP3M019920 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:12:25 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.113]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j86FHGxY010364 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:17:17 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.134]) by dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:12:24 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [ietf-provreg] 3732bis Submitted Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:12:14 -0400 Message-ID: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07D927A9@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 3732bis Submitted Thread-Index: AcWy9Vz6C/KK0VHBTWy1IUnVcA1c/A== From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> To: <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2005 15:12:24.0199 (UTC) FILETIME=[62AA5970:01C5B2F5] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.cafax.se id j86FCQ3M028045 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk I just sent the -00 version of 3732bis to the I-D administrator for publication. Here's the list of changes copied from Appendix A: 1. Minor reformatting as a result of converting I-D source format from nroff to XML. 2. Removed this text from Section 2.3: "Transform commands MUST be rejected when a pendingCreate, pendingDelete, pendingTransfer, or pendingUpdate status is set." 3. Changed text in Section 3.2.2 from this: "A host name object MUST NOT be deleted if the host object is associated with any other object. For example, if the host object is associated with a domain object, the host object MUST NOT be deleted until the existing association has been broken." to this: "A host name object SHOULD NOT be deleted if the host object is associated with any other object. For example, if the host object is associated with a domain object, the host object SHOULD NOT be deleted until the existing association has been broken. Deleting a host object without first breaking existing associations can cause DNS resolution failure for domain objects that refer to the deleted host object." 4. Changed text in Section 3.2.5 from "At least one <host:add>, <host:rem>, or <host:chg> element MUST be provided." to "At least one <host:add>, <host:rem>, or <host:chg> element MUST be provided if the command is not being extended. All of these elements MAY be omitted if an <update> extension is present.". 5. 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Received: from ogud.com (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j81GWcqm001597 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:32:38 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j81GWTwc050484; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:32:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <a06200700bf3cdd7bfb79@[192.168.1.100]> In-Reply-To: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07CFF7CF@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07CFF7CF@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:32:27 -0400 To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> From: Edward Lewis <Ed.Lewis@Neustar.biz> Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] 3730 <poll> Text Change Proposal Cc: "Edward Lewis" <Ed.Lewis@Neustar.biz>, <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk At 9:23 -0400 8/29/05, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >OK, so how about this: > >OLD (section 2.9.2.3): >Service messages MUST be created for all clients affected by an action >on an object. For example, <transfer> actions MUST be reported to both >the client that requests an object transfer and the client that has the >authority to approve or reject the transfer request. > >NEW: >Service messages SHOULD be created for passive clients affected by an >action on an object. Service messages MAY also be created for active >clients that request an action on an object, though such messages MUST >NOT replace the normal protocol response to the request. For example, ><transfer> actions SHOULD be reported to the client that has the >authority to approve or reject a transfer request. Other methods of >server-client action notification, such as offline reporting, are also >possible and are beyond the scope of this specification. Looks good to me...(I see the next version is out, so maybe a "late" reply.) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar If you knew what I was thinking, you'd understand what I was saying. Return-Path: <owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se> Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j81DOWsY023055 for <ietf-provreg-outgoing@nic.cafax.se>; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:24:32 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j81DOWOY000497 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:24:32 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from peregrine.verisign.com (peregrine.verisign.com [216.168.239.74]) by nic.cafax.se (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j81DOVP4000285 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:24:31 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.113]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j81DRcY2028338 for <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:27:39 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.134]) by dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:24:30 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [ietf-provreg] 3730bis Submitted Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:24:07 -0400 Message-ID: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF07D92390@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 3730bis Submitted Thread-Index: AcWu+G5kUka+6CzJRcWNLPv1UitCsw== From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> To: <ietf-provreg@cafax.se> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2005 13:24:30.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BC3D040:01C5AEF8] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.cafax.se id j81DOWP4012211 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk I just sent the -00 version of 3730bis to the I-D administrator for publication. Here's the list of changes copied from Appendix C: 1. Minor reformatting as a result of converting I-D source format from nroff to XML. 2. Removed the last paragraph from Section 2 that described an error in the XML specification. This was corrected in a later edition. References in this specification have been updated to cite the most current version. Preserved the last sentence by appending it to the end of the previous paragraph. 3. Changed text in Section 2.9.2.3 from this: "Service messages MUST be created for all clients affected by an action on an object. For example, <transfer> actions MUST be reported to both the client that requests an object transfer and the client that has the authority to approve or reject the transfer request." to this: "Service messages SHOULD be created for passive clients affected by an action on an object. Service messages MAY also be created for active clients that request an action on an object, though such messages MUST NOT replace the normal protocol response to the request. For example, <transfer> actions SHOULD be reported to the client that has the authority to approve or reject a transfer request. Other methods of server-client action notification, such as offline reporting, are also possible and are beyond the scope of this specification." 4. Changed text in Section 2.9.2.3 from this: "A <poll> acknowledgement response notes the number of messages remaining in the queue and the ID of the next message available for retrieval." to this: "A <poll> acknowledgement response notes the ID of the message that has been acknowledged and the number of messages remaining in the queue." Fixed the example to note the correct message ID. 5. Changed text in Section 2.9.3.4 from this: "Once a transfer request has been received by the server, the server MUST notify the current sponsoring client of the requested transfer by queuing a service message for retrieval via the <poll> command." to this: "Once a transfer request has been received by the server, the server MUST notify the current sponsoring client of the requested transfer by either queuing a service message for retrieval via the <poll> command or by using an out-of-band mechanism to inform the client of the request." 6. Updated XML references. 7. Moved RFCs 2781 and 3375 (Informational RFCs) from the normative reference section to the informative reference section. Other document updates are being worked on and will be submitted after 3730bis hits the archives. -Scott-
- [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length restrict… Alexander Mayrhofer
- RE: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length rest… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length rest… James Gould
- Re: [ietf-provreg] RFC updates - roid length rest… Alexander Mayrhofer