Re: [PWE3] draft-ietf-pwe3-frame-relay-05.txt last call

Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com> Tue, 31 May 2005 18:18 UTC

Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DdBJS-0001fM-EV; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:18:02 -0400
Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DdBJB-0001cL-NB for pwe3@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:17:45 -0400
Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03581 for <pwe3@ietf.org>; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:17:42 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DdBQg-0000NS-EO for pwe3@ietf.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:25:33 -0400
Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (144.254.224.150) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 31 May 2005 20:05:01 +0200
Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j4VI4v7F029943; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:04:58 +0200 (MEST)
Received: from cisco.com (ams-clip-vpn-dhcp4223.cisco.com [10.61.80.126]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA22076; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:04:46 +0100 (BST)
Message-ID: <429CA73D.3080703@cisco.com>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:04:45 +0100
From: Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax)
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: pwe3 <pwe3@ietf.org>, 'Luca Martini' <lmartini@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [PWE3] draft-ietf-pwe3-frame-relay-05.txt last call
References: <429C856E.10301@cisco.com>
In-Reply-To: <429C856E.10301@cisco.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+)
X-Scan-Signature: 08156cf414e01129f6a937203576bf20
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Cc:
X-BeenThere: pwe3@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
List-Id: Pseudo Wires Edge to Edge <pwe3.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3>, <mailto:pwe3-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Post: <mailto:pwe3@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:pwe3-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3>, <mailto:pwe3-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Sender: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org
Errors-To: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org

Comments on: draft-ietf-pwe3-frame-relay-05.txt

Abstract

    A frame relay pseudo-wire is a mechanism that exists between a
    provider's edge network nodes and support as faithfully as possible
    frame relay services over MPLS packet switched network (PSN). This
    document describes the detailed encapsulation necessary to transport
    frame-relay packets over an MPLS network.


SB> I prefer the style of the abstract used in Ethernet/ATM etc.
SB> Perhaps we should say something like:
SB>
SB> A Frame Relay Pseudowire (PW) is used to carry Frames Relay
SB> over an MPLS network. This enables service providers to
SB> offer an "emulated" ethernetFrame Relay  service over
SB> and existing MPLS packet switched network (PSN). This
SB> document describes the detailed encapsulation necessary
SB> to transport frame-relay packets over an MPLS network.
SB>

---------------

      - Backward direction.

        In frame relay it is the direction opposite to the direction
        taken by a frame being forwarded (see also forward direction).

      - Forward direction.

        The forward direction is the direction taken by the frame being
        forwarded.

SB> The <forward> reference to the term is unhelpful :)
SB> How about:
SB>
SB> -Forward direction
SB> The forward direction is from the sender to the receiver.
SB> i.e. the direction of normal data transfer
SB>
SB> -Backwards direction is from the receiver to the sender.
SB> i.e. the opposite direction to normal data transfer.
SB>
SB> However I would think that the FRF has a better wording

----------------

3. Acronyms and Abbreviations

       L2TP    Layer 2 Tunneling Protocol
       POS     Packet over SONET/SDH

SB> These are not used in the draft
SB> I just checked a couple - need to check that all terms
SB> are used in the draft

-----------------


4. Introduction

    In an MPLS or IP network, it is possible to use control protocols
    such as those specified in [CONTROL] to set up "Pseudo Wires" that
    carry the the Protocol Data Units of layer 2 protocols across the
    network. A number of these emulated Pseudo Wires (PW) may be carried
    in a single tunnel.

SB> Intro should focus on FR, perhaps with callout to [RFC3985]
SB> Ref to control is too early in flow of thought.

-----------------


    The main functions required to support frame
    relay PW by a PE include:
SB> s/include/are/

      - Encapsulation of frame relay specific information in a suitable
        pseudo wire (PW) packet,
      - Transfer of a PW packet across an MPLS network for delivery to a
        peer PE.
      - Extraction of frame relay specific information from a PW packet
        by the remote peer PE,
      - Regeneration of native frame relay frames for forwarding across
        an egress port of the remote peer PE,
      - Execution of any other operations as required to support frame
        relay service.

SB> last is a bit wooly for a "main function"

    This document specifies the encapsulation for the emulated frame
    relay VC over an MPLS PSN.

SB> Not sure if the terms section absolves you from defining inline

    Although different layer 2 protocols
    require different information to be carried in this encapsulation, an
    attempt has been made to make the encapsulation as common as possible
    for all layer 2 protocols.  Other layer 2 protocols are described in
    separate documents. [ATM] [ETH] [PPP]

SB> Not sure the above para add much value.

-----------------


    Two mapping modes can be defined between frame relay VCs and pseudo
    wires:  The first one is called "one-to-one" mapping, because there
SB> s/first one/first/
SB> s/, because there is/. This has/
    is a one-to-one correspondence between a frame-relay VC and one
SB> s/one/a/ ?
    Pseudo Wire. The second mapping is called "many-to-one" mapping or
    "port mode" Because multiple frame-relay VCs assigned to a port are
SB> s/Because/. In this mode/
    mapped to one pseudo wire. The "port mode" encapsulation is identical
SB> You do not define "port mode" above, you mean "one to one"
SB> or you could change the name above.
    to HDLC pseudo wire encapsulation which is described in [PPP].


5. General encapsulation method

    The general frame relay pseudo wire packet format for carrying frame
    relay information (user's payload and frame relay control
    information) between two PEs is shown in Figure 2.

SB> The term General does not seem right. Cant't think of a better
SB> but I would read right if you just deleted the word.

           +-------------------------------+
           |                               |
           |    MPLS Transport header      |
           |       (As required)           |
           +-------------------------------+
           |   Pseudo Wire (PW) Header     |
           +-------------------------------+
           |        Control Word           |
           +-------------------------------+
           |          FR Service           |
           |           Payload             |
           +-------------------------------+


    Figure 2 - General format of frame relay encapsulation over PSN

    The PW packet consists of the following fields: Control word, and
    Payload preceded by the MPLS Transport and pseudo wire header. The

SB> Above is a strange order of presentation.
SB> Also what you call the PW header is the PW demux
SB> PW packet is not a precisely defined term.
SB> Not sure why we don't use the simpler explaination  that
SB> you used in Ethernet and HDLC.

    meaning of the different fields is as follows:

         -i. MPLS Transport header is specific to the MPLS network.  This
             header is used to switch the PW packet through the MPLS
             core.
        -ii. PW header contains an identifier for multiplexing PWs within
             an MPLS tunnel.
       -iii. Control Word contains protocol control information for
             providing a frame relay service. Its structure is provided
             in the following sections.
        -iv. The contents of the frame relay service payload field
             depends on the mapping mode. In general it contains the
             layer 2 frame relay frame.

SB> Doesn't it ALWAYS contain the FR frame less it's FR header?


6. Frame Relay over MPLS PSN for the One-to-One Mode

SB> perhaps just "Frame Relay one-to-one Mode"?

6.1. MPLS PSN Tunnel and PW

    MPLS label switched paths (LSPs) called "MPLS Tunnels" are used
    between PEs and within the MPLS core network for forwarding purposes
    of PW packets. A MPLS tunnel corresponds to "PSN Tunnel" of Figure 1.

    Several "Pseudo-Wires" may be nested inside one MPLS tunnel. Each PW
    carries the traffic of a single frame relay VC.


6.2. Packet Format over MPLS PSN

    For the one-to-one mapping mode for frame relay over an MPLS network,

SB> one to one is redundant above.

    the PW packet format is shown in Figure 3.

     +-------------------------------+
     |      MPLS Tunnel label(s)     | n*4 octets (four octets per label)
     +-------------------------------+
     |      PW label                 |  4 octets
     +-------------------------------+
     |       Control Word            |
     |      (See Figure 5)           | 4 octets
     +-------------------------------+
     |            Payload            |
     |      (Frame relay frame       |
     |       information field)      | n octets
     |                               |
     +-------------------------------+


    Figure 3 - frame relay Over MPLS PSN Packet for the One-to-One
    Mapping

SB> Capitalise Frame Relay (everywhere)

    The meaning of the different fields is as follows:
SB> s/different//

      - MPLS Tunnel label(s)

        The MPLS Tunnel label(s) corresponds to the PSN transport header
        of Figure 3.  The label(s) is/are used by MPLS LSRs to forward a
        PW packet from one PE to the other.

SB> I think that you mean Figure 2, not Figure 3
SB> Perhaps from ingress PE to egress PE

      - PW Label

        The PW label identifies one PW (i.e. one LSP) assigned to a frame
SB> Provides PW multiplexing?

        relay VC in one direction. It corresponds to the PW header of
        Figure 3. Together the MPLS Tunnel label(s) and PW label form an
SB> again figure 2
        MPLS label stack [RFC3032].

      - Control Word

        The Control Word contains protocol control information. Its
        structure is shown in Figure 4.

      - Payload

        The payload field corresponds to X.36/X.76 frame relay frame
        information field with bit/byte stuffing, frame relay header
        removed, and FCS removed .  It is RECOMMENDED to support a frame
        size of at least 1600 bytes. The maximum length of the payload
        field MUST be agreed upon by the two PEs. This can be achieved by
        using the MTU interface parameter when the PW is established.
        [CONTROL]

SB> This IS acheived by using the MTU i/f param, or it is manually
SB> configured.


6.3. The Control Word

    When carrying frame relay over an MPLS network, sequentiality may
    need to be preserved.

SB> I think that you need to talk about sequentiallity later
SB> The FBDC bits are a MUST so you ought to talk about them first
SB> since they make the CW required. Should ref the CW draft.

    The REQUIRED control word defined here
    addresses this requirement.

    The Control Word contains protocol control information. Its structure
    is as follows:

SB> Actually its definition is shown.

     0                   1                   2                   3
     0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
    |0 0 0 0|F|B|D|C|Res|  Length   | Sequence Number               |
    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+


    Figure 4 - Control Word structure for the one-to-one mapping mode

    The meaning of the Control Word fields (Figure 5) is as follows (see
    also [X36 and X76] for frame relay bits):

SB> Do you mean for the definition of FBDC bits?

      - bits 0 to 3

        In the above diagram the first 4 bits MUST be set to 0 to
        indicate PW data.
SB> [CW]?

      - F (bit 4) FR FECN (Forward Explicit Congestion Notification) bit.

      - B (bit 5) FR BECN (Backward Explicit Congestion Notification)
        bit.

      - D (bit 6) FR DE bit (Discard Eligibility) bit.

      - C (bit 7) FR frame C/R (Command/Response) bit.

      - Res  (bits 8 and 9):  These bits are reserved and MUST be set to
        0 upon transmission and ignored upon reception.

      - Length (bits 10 to 15)

        If the Pseudo Wire traverses a network link that requires a
        minimum frame size (a notable example is Ethernet), padding is
        required to reach its minimum frame size.  If the frame's length
SB> Which frame?

SB> This is not expressed very clearly. The above sounds as if the
SB> PW has to introduce the padding.

        (defined as the length of the layer 2 payload plus the length of
SB> Frame Relay payload?

        the control word) is less than 64 octets, the length field MUST
        be set to the PW payload length. Otherwise the length field MUST
        be set to zero. The value of the length field, if non-zero, is
        used to remove the padding characters by the egress PE.

SB> I think that the length text needs to be changed to be more
SB> precise terminology.

      - Sequence number (Bit 16 to 31)

        Sequence numbers provide one possible mechanism to ensure the
        ordered delivery of PW packets. The processing of the sequence
        number field is OPTIONAL. The sequence number space is a 16 bit,
        unsigned circular space.  The sequence number value 0 is used to
SB> circular space that omits zero?
        indicate that the sequence number check algorithm is not used.


6.4. The Martini Legacy Mode Control Word

    For backward compatibility to existing implementations the following
    version of the control word is defined as the "martini mode CW" for
    frame relay.

SB> You could  make an informative reference to the Martini draft.

     0                   1                   2                   3
     0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
    |0 0 0 0|B|F|D|C|Res|  Length   | Sequence Number               |
    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

    Note that the "B" and "F" bits are reversed.

    This control word format is used for PW type "Frame Relay DLCI (
    Martini Mode )"


6.5. PW packet processing

6.5.1. Generation of PW packets

    The generation process of a PW packet is initiated when a PE receives
    a frame relay frame from one of its frame relay UNI or NNI
    interfaces. The PE generates the following fields of the Control word
    from the corresponding fields of the frame relay frame as follows:

      - Command/Response (C/R or C) bit: The C bit is copied unchanged in
        the PW Control Word.

      - The DE bit of the frame relay frame is copied into the D bit
        field. However if the D bit is not already set, it MAY be set as
        a result of ingress frame policing. If not already set by the
        copy operation, setting of this bit by a PE is OPTIONAL.
SB> I don't think that you need the above sentence - you already said
SB> That the bit was copied, and then you you used a MAY
        The PE
        MUST NOT clear this bit (set it to 0 if it was received with the
        value of 1).

SB> You could also think of expressing it more formally via a local
SB> variable indicating congestion state and an OR operation.
SB> line break needed here

SB> Same comments apply to other bits

SB> Also we are not precise enought with the bit names
SB> are they the F bit, the FR FECN bit or the FECN bit.
SB> should be clear what we are going to call them.
SB> If the issue is the space in the CW, you could use
SB> the arrow method to associate name and bit.

      - The FECN bit of the frame relay frame is copied into the F bit
        field.  However if the F bit is not already set, it MAY be set to
        reflect a congestion situation detected by the PE. If not already
        set by the copy operation, setting of this bit by a PE is
        OPTIONAL. The PE MUST NOT clear this bit (set it to 0 if it was
        received with the value of 1).
      - The BECN bit of the frame relay frame is copied into the B bit
        field.  However if the B bit is not already set, it MAY be set to
        reflect a congestion situation detected by the PE. If not already
        set by the copy operation, setting of this bit by a PE is
        OPTIONAL. The PE MUST NOT clear this bit (set it to 0 if it was
        received with the value of 1).
      - If the PW packet length (defined as the length of the payload
        plus the length of the control word) is less than 64 octets, the
        length field MUST be set to the packet's length. Otherwise the
        length field MUST be set to zero.
      - The sequence number field is processed if the PW uses sequence
        numbers.
      - The payload of the PW packet is the contents of ITU-T
        Recommendations X.36/X.76 [X36, X76] frame relay frame
        information field stripped from any bit or byte stuffing.


6.5.2. Setting the sequence number

    For a given PW, and a pair of routers PE1 and PE2, if PE1 supports
    packet sequencing then the following procedures should be used:

      - the initial packet transmitted on the PW MUST use sequence number
        1
      - subsequent packets MUST increment the sequence number by one for
        each packet
      - when the transmit sequence number reaches the maximum 16 bit
        value (65535) the sequence number MUST wrap to 1

    If the transmitting router PE1 does not support sequence number
    processing, then the sequence number field in the control word MUST
    be set to 0.

SB> Perhaps the earlier SN text should just point here rather
SB> than saying the same thing twice?


6.6. Reception of PW packets

    When a PE receives a PW packet, it processes the different fields of
    the control word in order to generate a new frame relay frame for

SB> it uses the information contained in the CW to regenerate the ?

    transmission to a CE on a frame relay UNI or NNI. The PE performs the
    following actions (not necessarily in the order shown):

SB> Not sure is the order text adds much value.

      - It generates the following frame relay frame header fields from
        the corresponding fields of the PW packet.
      - The C/R bit is copied in the frame relay header.
      - The D bit is copied into the frame relay header DE bit.
      - The F bit is copied into the frame relay header FECN bit. If the
        F bit is set to zero, the FECN bit may be set to one, depending
        on the congestion state of the PE device in the forward
        direction. Changing the state of this bit by a PE is OPTIONAL.
      - The B bit is copied into the frame relay header BECN bit. If the
        B bit is set to zero, the BECN bit may be set to one, depending
        on the congestion state of the PE device in the backward
        direction. Changing the state of this bit by a PE is OPTIONAL.
SB> Shouldn't the above be a sub list?
SB> Would it be clearer to say copy all the bits, then to say
SB> how F and B may be changed. Also see my earlier note about
SB> the consistency of the terms

      - It processes the length and sequence field, the details of which
        are in the subsequent sub-sections.
      - It generates the frame relay information field from the contents
        of the PW packet payload after removing any padding.

    Once the above fields of a FR frame have been generated, the FCS has
    to be computed, HDLC flags have to be added and any bit or byte
    stuffing has been performed (these final actions typically take place
    in a hardware framer).  The FR frame is queued for transmission on
    the selected frame relay UNI or NNI interface.


6.6.1. Processing the sequence number

    If a router PE2 supports receive sequence number processing, then the
    following procedures should be used:

SB> s/should/SHOULD/?

    When a PW is initially set up, the "expected sequence number"
    associated with it MUST be initialized to 1.

    When a packet is received on that PW, the sequence number should be
    processed as follows:

      - if the sequence number on the packet is 0, then the sequence
        number check is skipped. ( sequence check disabled )

      - otherwise if the packet sequence number >= the expected sequence
        number and the packet sequence number - the expected sequence
        number < 32768, then the packet is in order.

      - otherwise if the packet sequence number < the expected sequence
        number and the expected sequence number - the packet sequence
        number >= 32768, then the packet is in order.

      - otherwise the packet is out of order.

    If a packet passes the sequence number check, or is in order then, it
    can be delivered immediately. If the packet is in order, then the
    expected sequence number should be set using the algorithm:

SB> should or SHOULD?

-------------

6.6.2. Processing of the Length Field by the Receiver

    Any padding octet, if present, in the payload field of a PW packet
    received MUST be removed before forwarding the data.

      - If the Length field is set to zero then there are no padding
        octets following the payload field.
      - Else if the payload is longer then the length specified in the
        control word padding characters are removed based on the length
        field.
SB> padding octets

-----------


6.9. Control Plane Details for Frame Relay Service

    When emulating a frame relay service, the frame relay PDUs are
    encapsulated according to the procedures defined herein. The PE MUST
    provide frame relay PVC status signaling to the frame relay network.
    If the PE detects a service-affecting condition for a particular
    DLCI, as defined in [ITUQ] Q.933 Annex A.5 sited in IA FRF1.1, the PE
    MUST communicate to the remote PE the status of the PW that
    corresponds to the frame relay DLCI status. The Egress PE SHOULD
    generate the corresponding errors and alarms as defined in [ITUQ] on
    the egress Frame relay PVC.

SB> New para?

    There are two frame relay flags to
    control word bit mappings described below. The legacy bit ordering
SB> s/below/above/?

    scheme will be used for a PW of type 0x0001 "Frame Relay DLCI
SB> I think that you need to make it clearer that you are talking
SB> about PW Type defined in IANA and carried acoding to the
SB> control draft.

    (Martini Mode)", while the new bit ordering scheme will be used for a
    PW of type 0x0019 "Frame Relay DLCI".
SB> Also should define this as the prefered/default mode and
SB> put it first in the description

    The IANA allocation registry of
    "Pseudowire Type" is defined in [IANA] along with initial allocated
    values.


6.9.1. Frame-Relay Specific Interface Parameters

    A separate document [CONTROL], describes the PW control, and
    maintenance protocol in detail including generic interface
    parameters. The interface parameter information, when applicable, it
    MUST be used to validate that the PEs, and the ingress and egress
    ports at the edges of the circuit, have the necessary capabilities to
    interoperate with each other. The Interface parameter TLV is defined
    in [CONTROL], the IANA registry with initial values for interface
    parameter types is defined in [IANA], but the frame relay specific
    interface parameters are specified as follows:

      - 0x08 Frame-Relay DLCI Length.

        An optional 16 bit value indicating the length of the frame relay
SB> 15 bit?

        DLCI field. This OPTIONAL interface parameter can have value of 2
        , or 4, with the default being equal to 2. If this interface
        parameter is not present the default value of 2 is assumed.


9. Security Considerations

    PWE3 provides no means of protecting the contents or delivery of the
    PW packets on behalf of the native service. PWE3 may, however,
    leverage security mechanisms provided by the MPLS Tunnel Layer. A
    more detailed discussion of PW security is give in [RFC3985, CONTROL,
    PWE3REQ].

SB> s/PWE3REQ/RFC3916/
SB> Not sure whether we will get away with this short text on
SB> security.

---------------------

12. Normative References

    [PPP] "Encapsulation Methods for Transport of PPP/HDLC Over MPLS
          Networks", draft-ietf-pwe3-hdlc-ppp-encap-05.txt April 2005

SB> I don't think that this needs to be normative



Martini, et al.                                                [Page 16]

Internet Draft     draft-ietf-pwe3-frame-relay-05.txt         April 2005


    [PWE3REQ] XiPeng Xiao, et al., RFC 3916.
SB> should use RFC3916 as the reference


_______________________________________________
pwe3 mailing list
pwe3@ietf.org
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pwe3