Re: [QOS_INBAND] next steps?
Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> Thu, 01 February 2007 11:14 UTC
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Subject: Re: [QOS_INBAND] next steps?
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Hi, Sorry, If I came through as a bit harsh. Also my memory clearly failed me. As I said in the previous mail I am a bit hesitant to put things into NSIS as they haven't been making particular good progress. However some form of short heads-up thing may be reasonable within NSIS. Holding some form of well announced Bar-BOF seems to me a reasonable step forward. Lets continue the discussion on what the best ways forward are. Cheers Magnus McGeer, Patrick C skrev: > Magnus, > As I recall, we discussed discussing this in NSIS in Prague, and having > a "bar BoF" there, in preparation for a BoF in Chicago. John Loughney > was certainly agreeable to discussing this in NSIS, and a number of > people at he meeting in San Diego (John Loughney and Scott Brim, in > particular) strongly suggested that in addition to the steps of forming > a discussion list, that we spend at least one more IETF meeting > socializing the idea before pursuing a BoF, and that NSIS was the > correct venue to start in because there were many others in that group > interested in the same issues. Both John Harper and I are happy to do > this -- while we're understandably eager to move forward, we also feel > that it's extremely important to do this the right way within IETF, > respecting IETF's procedures and culture, and, most important, fitting > this work in the context of ongoing work within IETF. NSIS and > QuickStart are two of the most prominent examples. > > Cheers > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Magnus Westerlund [mailto:magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:59 AM > To: John Harper > Cc: qos_inband@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [QOS_INBAND] next steps? > > Hi, > > Some comments. > > John Harper skrev: >> Lars, >> >> When we discussed this in San Diego, I believe the agreement was that >> some time would be scheduled in NSIS to look at the requirements for >> this work, and I was about to get in touch with John Loughney to ask >> about this when I got your mail. > > I can't remember any agreement on taking work or even a requirements > discussion into NSIS. Talking with the people active in that group is > certainly fine. However as responsible AD for NSIS I don't want any > proposals around this to be handled in NSIS. There are several reasons > for this. You proposal has major impact on the infrastructure and needs > to be discussed openly with good attendance of people from different > fields. Thus a real BOF is needed before any real work can be taken on. > Putting this discussion into NSIS would hide it from many that would > need to participate in this. Secondly, NSIS should focus on resolving > its own issues so that it can finish the currently ongoing work. I don't > want time taken away from their agenda. > > My memory of the agreement was that you should update the drafts, > continue build interest and set together a BOF for these topics. As we > stated in San Diego you needed to get on this directly. As this hasn't > happened I think you will have to focus on building some interest with > key persons, maybe hold a bar-BOF to discuss things. > > > Cheers > > Magnus Westerlund > > IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVA/A > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 > Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 > S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > QOS_INBAND mailing list > QOS_INBAND@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/qos_inband > -- Magnus Westerlund IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVA/A ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ QOS_INBAND mailing list QOS_INBAND@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/qos_inband
- [QOS_INBAND] next steps? Lars Eggert
- RE: [QOS_INBAND] next steps? John Harper
- Re: [QOS_INBAND] next steps? Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [QOS_INBAND] next steps? Lars Eggert
- RE: [QOS_INBAND] next steps? McGeer, Patrick C
- Re: [QOS_INBAND] next steps? Magnus Westerlund