Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rewrite section on ack range limiting (#3315)

Martin Thomson <notifications@github.com> Tue, 07 January 2020 23:52 UTC

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



> -contribute to the ACK frame size.  When the receiver is only sending
-non-ack-eliciting packets, it can bundle a PING or other small ack-eliciting
-frame with a fraction of them, such as once per round trip, to enable
-dropping unnecessary ACK ranges and any state for previously sent packets.
-The receiver MUST NOT bundle an ack-eliciting frame, such as a PING, with all
-packets that would otherwise be non-ack-eliciting, in order to avoid an
-infinite feedback loop of acknowledgements.
-
-To limit receiver state or the size of ACK frames, a receiver MAY limit the
-number of ACK Ranges it sends.  A receiver can do this even without receiving
-acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause the sender
-to unnecessarily retransmit some data.  Standard QUIC algorithms
-({{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) declare packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are
-acknowledged.  Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge newly
-received packets in preference to packets received in the past.
+A receiver MAY limit the number of ACK Ranges it sends to limit receiver state

It might be in -tls.

> -contribute to the ACK frame size.  When the receiver is only sending
-non-ack-eliciting packets, it can bundle a PING or other small ack-eliciting
-frame with a fraction of them, such as once per round trip, to enable
-dropping unnecessary ACK ranges and any state for previously sent packets.
-The receiver MUST NOT bundle an ack-eliciting frame, such as a PING, with all
-packets that would otherwise be non-ack-eliciting, in order to avoid an
-infinite feedback loop of acknowledgements.
-
-To limit receiver state or the size of ACK frames, a receiver MAY limit the
-number of ACK Ranges it sends.  A receiver can do this even without receiving
-acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause the sender
-to unnecessarily retransmit some data.  Standard QUIC algorithms
-({{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) declare packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are
-acknowledged.  Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge newly
-received packets in preference to packets received in the past.
+A receiver MAY limit the number of ACK Ranges it sends to limit receiver state

It's in transport already: https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-12.3-11

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