Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-quic-applicability-14.txt> (Applicability of the QUIC Transport Protocol) to Informational RFC

Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Mon, 24 January 2022 20:48 UTC

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Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-quic-applicability-14.txt> (Applicability of the QUIC Transport Protocol) to Informational RFC
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Reading the current draft, I find one small issue regarding packet 
types. The draft mentions in section 2.1 that packet types are defined 
in the Version1 specification. Section 3.1.2 correctly warns against 
using packet types for heuristics because they may changed in further 
version, and section 3.4.1 correctly conditions inspection of Initial 
packet to recognizing version 1. However, I am concerned that 
middle-boxes might ignore these caveats. Could we add a note somewhere, 
maybe in section 2.1, that different versions of QUIC might encode 
packet types differently? Indeed, the version 2 draft 
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-quic-v2/) uses different 
encodings for the packet types.

-- Christian Huitema

On 1/24/2022 5:49 AM, The IESG wrote:
> The IESG has received a request from the QUIC WG (quic) to consider the
> following document: - 'Applicability of the QUIC Transport Protocol'
>    <draft-ietf-quic-applicability-14.txt> as Informational RFC
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> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final
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>     This document discusses the applicability of the QUIC transport
>     protocol, focusing on caveats impacting application protocol
>     development and deployment over QUIC.  Its intended audience is
>     designers of application protocol mappings to QUIC, and implementors
>     of these application protocols.
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-quic-applicability/
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