Question on draft-seemann-quic-accurate-ack-ecn-00

Ingemar Johansson S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com> Thu, 14 March 2024 14:21 UTC

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From: Ingemar Johansson S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com>
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Subject: Question on draft-seemann-quic-accurate-ack-ecn-00
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Hi Marten + others

I read through the draft
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-seemann-quic-accurate-ack-ecn/

Given that this adds more complexity than the default ECN counters, could you elaborate a bit more around which partcular cases where it would be beneficial with your proposed ECN feedback?

Regards
/Ingemar
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