Re: Flow control transport parameters are optional
Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com> Mon, 30 July 2018 03:22 UTC
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Subject: Re: Flow control transport parameters are optional
From: Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com>
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Seems reasonable, given that it has a well-defined default of 0. I imagine most implementations will want to always send this, but there doesn’t seem to be any harm in making it optimal. Tommy > On Jul 29, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just checking that people are OK with this change. > > Marten opened https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1610 which > proposes making the initial_max_data transport parameter optional. > Given that this can be set to 0 anyway, it isn't any more of a footgun > that we already have. Absent objections, I plan to merge this. >
- Flow control transport parameters are optional Martin Thomson
- Re: Flow control transport parameters are optional Tommy Pauly