Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-quic-00-01: (with COMMENT)
Ryan Hamilton <rch@google.com> Tue, 13 September 2016 00:50 UTC
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From: Ryan Hamilton <rch@google.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:50:51 -0700
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Subject: Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-quic-00-01: (with COMMENT)
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On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote: > I had a few comments on the draft charter: > > > There is emerging implementation and deployment experience with QUIC, a > > UDP-based protocol that provides a stream-multiplexing encrypted > transport. > > Based on that implementation and deployment experience, the QUIC working > group > > will provide a standards track specification generalizing the design > described > > in the initial set of draft-tsvwg-quic-protocol, draft-tsvwg-quic > -loss-recovery, > > and related documents. > > "initial set" is ungrammatical here. Strike it. > > > > Key goals for QUIC are: > > > > - Minimizing connection establishment and overall transport latency for > > applications, starting with HTTP/2; > > - Providing multiplexing without head-of-line blocking; > > - Enabling deployment over unmodified Internet paths; and > > - Enabling multipath and forward error correction extensions. > > I would like to see a security objective here, as I think we all agree > that it's a first-class priority. > > - Providing secure transport by default using TLS 1.3. > QUIC is designed to have a plug-able handshake mechanism. For sure, TLS 1.3 should be used in many cases, including HTTP over QUIC. But I would want to makes sure that we don't lose the ability to develop other applications on top of QUIC which want a different handshake. I'd be happy to see language requiring that we come up with a QUIC + TLS 1.3 mapping, just not language that says that TLS 1.3 is the only handshake for QUIC. Perhaps you were already saying this, I'm not sure. Cheers, Ryan > > > This work will ensure that > > QUIC using TLS1.3 has security and privacy properties that are at least > as good > > as a stack composed of TLS1.3 using TCP (or MPTCP when using multipath). > > This "QUIC using TLS 1.3" language is a little weird. I would just say > "QUIC". I believe MT provided a similar comment. > > > > > The third focus area will describe mappings between specific > applications??? > > semantics and the transport facilities of QUIC. The first mapping will > be a > > description of HTTP/2 semantics using QUIC, specifically with the goal > of > > minimizing web latency using QUIC. This mapping will accommodate the > extension > > mechanisms defined in the HTTP/2 specification. Upon completion of that > mapping, > > additional protocols may be added by updating this charter to include > them. > > I'm not sure this should be in QUIC so much as HTTP. Minimally it somehow > needs to be in cooperation and I don't see anything here. I certainly don't > want this to preclude a mapping of only HTTP/2's transport facilities. > > -Ekr > > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < > spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, Alissa, >> >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote: >> >>> Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for >>> charter-ietf-quic-00-01: Yes >>> >>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >>> introductory paragraph, however.) >>> >>> >>> >>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-quic/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> COMMENT: >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> What is the status of these PRs? >>> https://github.com/IETF-QUIC/Charter/pulls >> >> >> I checked two of the PRs. One looks like it's reflected in the >> datatracker, but the other does not. I'll make sure the proponents think >> the datatracker text reflects what they want to go with, before this goes >> for external review. >> >> Spencer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> QUIC mailing list >> QUIC@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/quic >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > QUIC mailing list > QUIC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/quic > >
- [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-quic-0… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-qu… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-qu… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-qu… Martin Thomson
- Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-qu… Ryan Hamilton
- Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-qu… Salz, Rich
- Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-qu… Jana Iyengar
- Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-qu… Jana Iyengar
- Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-qu… Jim Roskind
- Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-qu… Salz, Rich
- Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-qu… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-qu… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-qu… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-qu… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-qu… Ryan Hamilton
- Re: [QUIC] Alissa Cooper's Yes on charter-ietf-qu… Jana Iyengar