[radext] Re: Gorry Fairhurst's Discuss on draft-ietf-radext-radiusdtls-bis-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Jan-Frederik Rieckers <rieckers@dfn.de> Fri, 05 June 2026 20:40 UTC

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Hi Gorry,

sorry for replying so late.

On 5/6/26 15:14, Gorry Fairhurst wrote:
> More could have been expanded on the areas of my DISCUScomments and I'd 
> always happy to help further on any of these topics However, I am 
> grateful that the new text you ahve prepared has avoided the problematic 
> areas into which document had ventured, and hence I no longer see the 
> need to hold a DISCUSS position. I shall update my ballot position to NO 
> OBJECTION.

Thanks for your discusses, and for confirming they are now addressed.
I'm happy to update the document further, if there's still wording that 
can be improved.

> Please note also my comments, in particular my recommendation to cite 
> RFC8085 with respect to the requirements for the use of UDP.
I've read your comments again, and looked over RFC 8085 too, and my 
comment from earlier still stands:

I'm not sure which parts of RFC8085 we can reference here that would add 
value to this document.
 From what I read, there is little guidance on implementation and more 
on how to design a UDP-based protocol. Since we are using an existing 
UDP-based protocol (RADIUS) and only extending it, there is not much 
that we can do without significantly changing the way RADIUS behaves.

If you have specific parts of RFC 8085 that you feel are applicable to 
this document and should be referenced, I'm happy to add it.

Cheers,
Janfred

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