Re: [Ecrit] Re: [Rai-discuss] Schema --> RelaxNG

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Fri, 21 July 2006 18:52 UTC

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From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Re: [Rai-discuss] Schema --> RelaxNG
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:44:43 +0200
To: Jonathan Rosenberg <jdrosen@cisco.com>
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On Jul 21 2006, at 20:29, Jonathan Rosenberg wrote:

> I'm not sure I agree with a universal move to Relax-NG. One of my  
> concerns is a pragmatic one. A fair bit of energy has been invested  
> by many people into using schema for protocol design. How many  
> participants in the RAI groups or IETF at large know how to design  
> Relax-NG?

I cannot answer that question.
However, if you actually have invested the energy to learn (and  
understand) W3C schema, learning Relax-NG takes about 20 minutes.
(The inverse is *not* true.)

Gruesse, Carsten


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