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Re: [Rats] Requesting a Nonce from a Verifier

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Wed, 06 March 2024 01:42 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Rats] Requesting a Nonce from a Verifier
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Orie Steele <orie@transmute.industries> wrote:
    > The point of
    > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-demarco-oauth-status-attestations/

I haven't read this, but I can.

    > Is for the wallet / holder to convince the verifier that their
    > credential has a state, within some refresh window.

I think that's freshness of a different kind (of the non-revocation kind)
than we usually talk about needing nonces for when creating Evidence in RATS.

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