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Re: [Rats] should Evidence containers be explicit about Personally Identiable Information?

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Sat, 04 July 2020 23:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Rats] should Evidence containers be explicit about Personally Identiable Information?
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Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
    > +1

    > Only the Attester (with advice from the real human owner/user and/or system
    > administrator) can decide what is actually PII.  Various standards and
    > regulations
    > have failed miserably to crisply define what is PII.

*WHAT* is PII is not at all relevant.
  I'm not asking for any determination of that, and if you got that impression,
  then I have failed to present the discussion well.

I am asking the question,
    [having determined that something is (or isn't) PII, ]
does the Attester need a way to signal this in-band to the Verifier?


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