Re: [Rats] New Version Notification for draft-voit-rats-trusted-path-routing-02
Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> Mon, 15 June 2020 23:12 UTC
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 16:11:59 -0700
From: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Rats] New Version Notification for draft-voit-rats-trusted-path-routing-02
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Hi Eric, On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:26:36PM +0000, Eric Voit (evoit) wrote: > Hi Ben, > > > From: Benjamin Kaduk. June 14, 2020 5:30 PM > > > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 08:13:15PM +0000, Eric Voit (evoit) wrote: > > > Of general interest in this draft the definition of a Trustworthiness > > > Vector > > > <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-voit-rats-trusted-path-routing-02#s > > > ection-3.2> which contains a ordered list of Trustworthiness Levels. > > > This vector is returned within Attestation Results, and is actionable > > > by a Relying Party. > > > > I wonder if this usage could be syncrhonized with the RFC 8485 "Vector of > > Trust". > > Thanks for pointing this out, I had not seen it. And it is interesting. A > few initial thoughts... > > (1) The universe of RFC8485 Component Dimensions does have a partial overlap > with my draft beyond the reuse of the 'vector'. For example Identity > proofing and assertion presentation are things RATS cares about. RATS also > cares about 'credential' lifecycle. > > (2) There are many significant domain of claims related to attestation which > are not covered in RFC8485. E.g.: > (a) whole categories of appraisal assertions such as 'hw-authentic', > 'boot-verified' or 'file-blacklisted' would need brand new 'component > dimensions'. (Note: RFC8485 does allow other RFCs to grow additional > contexts, so perhaps this would be ok, this is of assuming someone is > willing to steward this language across many domains.) >From memory, I think it even encourages such growth, not just allowing them. > (b) The lifecycle of Attestation Results beyond credentials quite important > with RATS. > > (3) RFC8485 suggests formal codes for the level of assurance of assertions > being made. This would mean that the language of Attestation Results should > be very rich. In fact it should be far richer that the small handful of > simple human-understandable identities which I proposed in my draft. > > With this in mind, I have generalized your question to be: how formal should > the language of Attestation Results be? In the end, it wouldn't be too > hard to map my draft's YANG identities into *new/extended* RFC8485 vector > constructs. But I am not yet able to see lots of immediate value. That's fair. I certainly don't have an answer in mind, myself :) > The first question I need to look at from the perspective of > routers/switches is how useful it would be to have an expandable standard > taxonomy and encoding for Appraisal Results. An early guess would be that > someone who has open source code/expertise in formally expressing Appraisal > Results would be better positioned to see if this might be worthy of a draft > submission. > > Or said another way: if somebody has the expertise and desire to drive an > IETF-wide appraisal results language beyond the RFC8485 starting point, I > would happily map my very simple constructs into that language. Understood. Thanks for reading and thinking about it! -Ben
- [Rats] New Version Notification for draft-voit-ra… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] New Version Notification for draft-voi… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Rats] New Version Notification for draft-voi… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] New Version Notification for draft-voi… Benjamin Kaduk