[rfc-i] issue: canonical formats
duerst at it.aoyama.ac.jp ( "Martin J. Dürst" ) Tue, 05 June 2012 11:26 UTC
From: "duerst at it.aoyama.ac.jp"
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 20:26:00 +0900
Subject: [rfc-i] issue: canonical formats
In-Reply-To: <4FC8E68F.5020507@stpeter.im>
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Message-ID: <4FCDECC8.9010802@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
On 2012/06/02 0:58, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 6/1/12 9:55 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Joe Hildebrand wrote: >> >>> I do think we need a canonical output to support some of the legal use >>> cases. >> >> >> What the heck is a "legal use case"? Do you have any evidence of a law anywhere that says "the canonical format for publishing must be displayable"? > > Patent disputes and the like. One version says XYZ and another version > says XZ because of some formatting glitch. What the exact definition of > the technology? We (both the list and Heather with input from IETF legal) have come to the conclusion that exact formatting isn't an issue as long as the content is the same (which is a technical problem and so we should be able to deal with it). Just for a change, and some entertainment, I'd like to tell you about a court case that I was involved with that indeed at one point dealt with a formatting issue. If you look at the encoding table at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-duerst-dns-i18n-02#section-3.2, you'll notice that the column headings and the columns don't match. The same problem appears in draft-duerst-dns-i18n-01, but the table at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-duerst-dns-i18n-00#section-3.2 has it right. During a deposition, this layout issue (which I somehow never was aware of, otherwise of course I'd have fixed it) and the fact that the patent involved used the same layout as draft -02 were shown to me. I was asked what I'd think about it, and I explained that to anybody understanding what's going on it was immediately clear that the layout in -00 was correct, and the others were weird. I think I also said that it was strange that in the patent, this problem wasn't detected and fixed. As far as I am aware, that case never went to court, and so I'm not sure how much of a contribution to the case this formatting problem was. But if anything, it certainly didn't give a good impression of the patent. Regards, Martin.
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